Because the rulebook ImperialGuard armylist doesn't represent the Steellegion very well but isn't a true all round ImperialGuard army too I wrote this armylist.
Feel free to comment
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Wed May 02, 2007 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
Because the rulebook ImperialGuard armylist doesn't represent the Steellegion very well but isn't a true all round ImperialGuard army too I wrote this armylist. Feel free to comment
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed May 02, 2007 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
You should work all the FW IG tanks in there too. |
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| Author: | orangesm [ Wed May 02, 2007 2:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
I am sorry, but what is the list suppose to be. I can not field a proper Steel Legion Mechanized Infantry Army with this list (which it sounds like you are trying to replace). If you are trying to include the Sentinel variants, conscripts, mortars, psychers, and preachers. I would say add the Armageddon pattern Sentinel and change to the Fire Support Platoon to the Steel Legion list. The rest of the list I would hold off for other list. There is not currently a Garrision Infantry Army List, Cadian Army List which could include a lot the things that you have included. The Garrision list would probably have a different command and structure. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed May 02, 2007 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
With all the extra options, the impression I get is that the list is supposed to allow the creation of almost any IG army. |
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| Author: | orangesm [ Wed May 02, 2007 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
But that is just it - right now it can not do that. I can not field a true Mechanized Infantry Regiment (as per the Steel Legion List) nor can I field an Airborne/Drop Regiment (as per the Elysian List). The list adds a few units, swaps a few formations but lacks the character that an Imperial Guard list should have. I also do not think that that is the best way to develop Imperial Guard list. A single list for Imperial Guard does not work even in 40k where it is only normally a company strength unit (it has both the Infantry and Armor list). With Epic, we can create a variety of list without ever creating new units, we change how formations are built and how they interact to get a different list. The majority of units in any IG list should be found in other IG list, it the formations that should change, plus the addition of a few other units. (Possibly something to look at for the list in current development) An Imperial Guard list should focus on a type of regiment. Steel Legion - Mechanized Infantry Regiment? Death Korp - Offensive Trench/Siege Warfare Regiment* Siegemasters - Defensive Trench/Siege Warfare Regiment? Tallarn Raiders - Armored Regiment* Cadian Shock Troops - Infantry Regiment w/ Heavy Support Catachan - Infantry Regiment w/ Light Support Elysians - Drop Regiment* ? have a list, possibly add a unit or change a unit * list in development, easy to change There are other possibilities for list, such as an Artillery or Super-Heavy Regiment, but those can be done with more than 1 of the above list. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Wed May 02, 2007 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
It's a general list. In the same way the Codex: Imperial Guard is. This here is the first draft. Next i will include the doctrine systeme and THEN you should be able to built specific regiments with it. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed May 02, 2007 3:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
It would be cool if you could work out a system that would let you build any existing armylist, via the use of doctrines. I suspect it'd be a large armylist though. 
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| Author: | orangesm [ Wed May 02, 2007 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
The list is the doctrines. How formations are assembled and what units are in formations defines the army. 9 new units added with the Baran Siegemasters, 9 units from the previous IG list. The difference between any Imperial Guard List is in how the list is assembled, with slight variations on the formations and units. A new list, like Krieg can have all its additions in 3-4 pages and a fifth page to show the list, especially when the reprinting units are removed. Doctrines are going to do just that - create additional list, but not have some of the possibly thematic units, like the Gorgon. I am for a variety of lists for Imperial Guard. I think that once the Krieg List and Tallarn List are well playtested and solid the next goal should be a Cadian Infantry List (Kasrkin/Storm Trooper Companies!). I do not think a general list with doctrines is going to work in Epic. ***** Changing focus - need to rethink the Mortar Team... look at EvC's Thuddgun for a starting point... thinking AP5+ Indirect would make sense. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Wed May 02, 2007 6:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
Update! Now with doctrines |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Wed May 02, 2007 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
My infantry 120 mortar to replace griffons in my siege directors cut list are 30cm 1bp, indirect, inf, speed 10cm, save n/a, CC n/a, FF 6+, 3 for 125 points. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Wed May 02, 2007 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
The entry for the Fire Support Platton should read "Two different of the following: Two Fire Support units, Two Anti Tank units, Two Mortar units, Four Special Weapon units*" EDIT: Oh forget my ramblings i wrote here Mortars have only Strength 4 so 2 x AP5+ should do it. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed May 02, 2007 8:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
Aye, these mortars are quite a bit smaller than the Griffon's heavy mortar. |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Wed May 02, 2007 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
I think this is a good general starting point for designing IG lists. I'd still rather see individual lists instead of trying to cram everything into a single universal list. This does, however, give a good basis of comparison for heading off in a new direction. Just to make sure I'm reading correctly, wouldn't it take 7 doctrine points to make the rulebook SL list with this? 5 "buy backs" plus mechanized and free commisars? |
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| Author: | Markconz [ Thu May 03, 2007 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
Agreed the mortars should be cut back in power as you suggest, but I would make them 30cm indirect. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Thu May 03, 2007 6:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | General Imperial Guard Armylist |
Hmm if you don't mind that 60 cm isn't too far then i change the range to 30cm. About Doctrines and the Rulebook list: Yes this is why i say it's a poor aproximation of the Steelegion. It's not really a General Imperial Guard armylist either. Yes the rulebooklist would require 7 doctrine points. Perhabs i will double the points cost for Chameolin. |
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