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Cosmic Serpent
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Post subject: Valkyries, Scouts, and Drop Troops  Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 8:01 pm |
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Something came up in discussing the scout rule in regards to Stormtroopers which lead to some questions.
Under the scout rule - it says the scout rule applied to the units with the scout ability, but not to any transport.
When you look at Storm Trppers, both the troops and the transport have the scout ability, so no problem on how far away as long as any individual stand is no more than 20 cm from another.
When you look at the drop troops - our transports have the scout ability, but the troops do not. My interpretation is that the transports can be up to 20 cm apart while they are carrying the troops - but when they land, all the troops themselves have to be within 5 cm, and the transports can move anywhere so long as they don't violate the 20 cm rule from any of the troop stands?
Some would argue that since the troops inside don't have scout, the Valkyries have to keep them within 5 cm of each other?
Not sure which interpretation is necessarily correct, but it is something to discuss. I looked under th scout rule, transport rule - really nothing that specifically covers this.
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Ilushia
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Post subject: Valkyries, Scouts, and Drop Troops Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 8:09 pm |
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I'd read it that they must be within 20cm of eachother when fully loaded, and once unloaded the foot-troops must maintain 5cm with eachother and the valks must maintain 20cm with the foot troops and eachother. More or less the way you read it I think. The reasoning here is fairly simple: when loaded up the troops are all 0cm from the Valks (inside them) thus they can't be too far away from someone else in the unit. And the valks themselves can be up to 20cm apart. On the ground you could sortof do the same thing. Take two Stormtroopers bases and put them within 5cm of eachother and a Valk, then put that Valk within 20cm of another Valk and that other Valk within 5cm of 2 more Stormtroopers. Covering an area some 30cm plus the actual width of the bases... I'm not POSITIVE that works, but the way I read the coherency rules that should be legal.
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Honda
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Post subject: Valkyries, Scouts, and Drop Troops Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 3:02 am |
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I'd agree with both of your interpretations, though I'm not sure I'd ever do what was in Ilushia's example.
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Ilushia
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Post subject: Valkyries, Scouts, and Drop Troops Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 3:13 am |
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| Quote (Honda @ 21 May 2006 (03:02)) | | I'd agree with both of your interpretations, though I'm not sure I'd ever do what was in Ilushia's example. |
I don't think I would either. Since killing either of the Valks in that example would break coherency! But I might wind up in that situation after having disembarked from them at the end of a move. Move up in the valks, drop down infront of them, at that point you're very spread out, but within the constraints of the coherency I think. I think that's really the only time I'd ever wind up in that kind of situation... 
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nealhunt
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Post subject: Valkyries, Scouts, and Drop Troops Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:25 pm |
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The Valkyries don't have to be within 20cm of each other. They would only need to be within 20cm of another unit in the formation - valkyrie or trooper.
The coherency rules are written so that determining coherency is first based on the need of each unit. As a second requirement, you must also maintain a "chain" of unbroken coherency.
In other words, if you have a Scout transport, the transport only needs to be within 20cm to maintain coherency. The loaded troops would need to be within 5cm of another unit (but not necessarily the transport). Any arrangement that does that would be allowable, regardless of where unusual gaps of the formation opened up. Some examples:
S= scout
N= non-scout
-=5cm
S----N-N----S
N-S----N-N
N-S-N--N-S-N
In the first one, obviously, each unit is at the limit of its individual coherency ability. Scouts are 20cm from the closest unit and the non-scouts are within 5cm of each other.
In the second, the scout could be farther away from the closest non-scout, but the non-scout must still maintain 5cm for its requirement.
The first 2 are mostly obvious, but note that in the third version, the Scouts would be within 20cm of the non-Scout unit in the other "grouping" so that an unbroken "chain" of coherency would still exist even thought the two closest units are non-scouts and not within coherency of each other.
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