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| Author: | Flogus [ Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
E:A only gives 2 profiles for imperial super heavy tanks : Baneblade and Shadowsword. But many others SHT are waiting for an E:A profile : Stormhammer, Stormblade (GW one with missiles, and FW one with bolters and lascannons) and Stormsword. So here is a proposition for SHT profiles : Stormblade GW War engine - 15cm - Armor 4+ - CC6+ FF5+ Light plasma cannon : 45cm 2* MW2+ Slow-loading (may fire only 1 dice without 'Slow-loading'), Fixed forward arc Hellion missile : 60cm MW3+ Titan Killer (1), One Shot, Fixed forward arc 4* Hunter missile : 60cm AT3+ One Shot Short battlecannon : 45cm AP5+/AT5+ Reinforced Armor, DC3 critical : destruction + units within 5cm are hit on 5+ Stormblade FW War engine - 15cm - Armor 4+ - CC6+ FF5+ Light plasma cannon : 45cm 2* MW2+ Slow-loading (may fire only 1 dice without 'Slow-loading'), Fixed forward arc 2* Lascannon : 45cm AT5+ 2* Twinlinked heavy bolters : 30cm AP4+ Reinforced Armor, DC3 critical : destruction + units within 5cm are hit on 5+ Stormsword War engine - 15cm - Armor 4+ - CC6+ FF4+ Siege cannon : 45cm 3BP MW, Ignore covers, Fixed frontal arc 2* Lascannon : 45cm AT5+ 2* Twinlinked heavy bolters : 30cm AP4+ Reinforced Armor, DC3 critical : destruction + units within 5cm are hit on 6+ Stormhammer War engine - 15cm - Armor 4+ - CC6+ FF3+ 4* Demolisher cannon : 30cm AP3+/AT4+ Ignore covers 2* Twinlinked heavy bolters : 30cm AP4+ 2* Heavy flamers : 15cm AP4+ Ignore covers AND (15cm) Small weapon, Extra attack (1), Ignore covers Thick Rear Armor, Reinforced Armor, DC3 critical : destruction + units within 5cm are hit on 6+ Everybody is agree to say the Shadowsword is ok. On the opposite, the Baneblade is said to be underpowered. So here is a proposition for a new Baneblade profile : Baneblade War engine - 15cm - Armor 4+ - CC6+ FF4+ Battlecannon : 75cm AP4+/AT4+ Demolisher cannon : AP3+/AT4+ Ignore covers 2* Lascannon : 45cm AT5+ 3* Twinlinked heavy bolters : 30cm AP4+ Reinforced Armor, DC3 critical : destruction + units within 5cm are hit on 6+ I have tested the Baneblade and the Stormblade GW. The Baneblade is ok. The refit of the heavy bolters (+1 and twinlinked) gives a reasonable firepower at medium range. I consider the "small arm / extra attack +1 / Ignore covers" for the demolisher cannon but this modification is not yet experimental for the Vindicator SM tank. The Stormblade GW can fire a devastating salvo (full plasma + missiles), but the next turn, it is reduced to a single AP5+/AT5+ shot. The fact is that a formation of 3 Stormblades GW can fire a too great quantity of MW shots in one turn (6*MW2+ + 3*TT3+). I tested at 500pts and 600pts, and single Stormblade at 200 and 250pts. At 250pts, the Stormblades GW suffer from the comparison with a Warhound titan. But at 200pts, it equals any other SHT. In a formation of 3, 500pts is too cheap for the 9 MW shots salvo. I've found 600pts is nice. And the formation of 3 is not more expensive that 3 singles SHT. There is just no discount for being in formation. Stormblade FW, Stormhammer and Stormsword are still to be tested but I had not time yet. What is your feeling about these profiles ? |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
I'm not an IG player, so can't really judge those quickly, but the Collectors' model section of the rulebook does have unofficial stats for the other SHTs and alternate patterns. This comes up as a regular topic, both here and on the SG boards, so you might do a search to check out previous iterations of this discussion. |
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| Author: | Dwarf Supreme [ Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
I'm curious why you gave flamers to the Stormhammer. I don't remember them ever having it in the past. |
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| Author: | Flogus [ Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
I add the heavy flamers to give some extra attacks in FF. Without EA, even with FF3+, the Stormhammer don't merit this reputation close combat. And heavy flamers have their place on an assault tank like the Stormhammer. |
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| Author: | stugmeister [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
I regularly use StormHammers in my Siegemasters force. I think their stats are fine the way they are in the E:A book. I tend to use them to back up my assaults, ponderously rolling up and unloading a clump of Demolisher shells into the enemy's position. I think its best kept to the 4x HBolters and 2x Twin-linked Demolisher Cannon. |
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| Author: | ortron [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
I recently used 2 stormhammers in a game against CAL. I used the collector's rules and found them to be quite good. I Marched the two of them into some urban terain turn 1 and from then on they hammered the enemy formations. they do seem a little under gunned at first but the fact is they will just about always hit something. I also used them in firefights (as supporting fire) and was again impressed with their fire. In saying this i do not have a lot of experience with IG and probably shouldn't make a comparison with the other types of SHT as yet. The FW variants seem to pack a fair bit more in! cheers |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
Small point on heavy flamers, they don't (as published in swordwind) give a bonus to FF other than to the units FF value. |
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| Author: | Flogus [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
I use the heavy flamers of the chaos Defiler. My opinion is that the 'EA collector' profile is underpowered then it is compared to the Shadowsword. A Shadowsword, it is a 'granted' unit killed and 2 blash marker at long range. With a short range, the Stormhammer has to be nastier. In FF, it is not better than a Baneblade and the 4 heavy bolters are not so impressive. Twinlinked would be worthable. But I had not yet tested any Stormhammer profiles. You do. But can you say that the Stormhammer is as effective at close range than the Shadowsword is at long range ? (with a power up as long range fire power is easier to use than short range, even more with a 15cm moving unit). |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
PG is I think re-naming them to get round that problem. Another side point I did a little testing with the Stormhammer weapons as 4 heavy bolter and 2 twin linked stormhammers - Range 30cm, MW2+, Ignore cover and Multiple point defence weapons (small arms, no extra attacks), FF2+ and it worked quite well. |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
Yes, from what I see the Collector's Section rules should work. And I have models of most everything G/W-F/W has made in Epic scale including all SHTs ... We found it easier to limit most types to one or two versions ... but do what works for you ... 
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| Author: | Mojarn Piett [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
If the Stormhammer was to be modeled accurately after the SM2 version it should have Conqueror cannons instead of Demolisher cannons as what it had back then was a Battlecannon with 2/3 range. |
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| Author: | ortron [ Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
I like the idea of giving it MW on it firefight ability? That would make it a real killer in a FF. This would mean changing the weapons i suppose... Got to remember though.. it is a collector's model and is there for fun not real competition. I'd say for now concentrate on making the baneblade and shadowsword even. Not everything must be even. Ortron |
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:53 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs | ||
If doing stats for Stormhammer should do it at same time as Stormblade/Stormsword which are current FW models. But I agree- get Baneblade sorted first!! Cheers James |
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| Author: | Jackwraith [ Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:56 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs | ||
Neal, could you point me to this 'collectors model' section? I can't find it anywhere in the pdfs. Or is it only in the hardcopy? |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Imperial SHTs |
Sorry. It's hardcopy only. |
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