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Elysians - determining population of armies
1. I play Elysians and have played against them 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
2. I play Elysians 16%  16%  [ 6 ]
3. I have played against Elysians 16%  16%  [ 6 ]
4. I have seen an Elysian army but never played against it 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
5. I have never even seen one 47%  47%  [ 18 ]
Total votes : 38

Elysians - have them? -play them? Want them?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:31 pm 
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You can comment about the list quality if you want, but the poll itself is really about the number of players out there who have fielded the Epic Elysian army list.

This does not mean you have to have played against/with a fully converted army. Proxies are fine.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:38 pm 
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First to vote "played against" - yay, do I get a cookie?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:23 pm 
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I want them, but am put off by the expense of the FW Valks etc, a dislike for the EW proxies (I dislike what I know of them, but havent seen them in RL) and a lack of a settled, defined list.

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Good to see you back Mosc! :)

As regards your question; I've believe I've seen an Elysian army at a tournament, but not played one. I don't have enough of the skimmers to play it myself (unless I did a lot of proxying - I only have a single formation each of FW Valkyries and Vultures). I like the idea of the list though and would be interested to play it sometime.


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GlynG wrote:
I don't have enough of the skimmers to play it myself (unless I did a lot of proxying - I only have a single formation each of FW Valkyries and Vultures).

In attempting to add something to the conversation besides snarkiness, I'll echo Glyn here. I've been tempted by the Elysians in the past, but the skimmers are prohibitively costly (the EW ones look like fine models, but the fan/gyrocopter look just doesn't do it for me). Various proxy/forumware infantry aren't cheap either. Add this to the inability of quite experienced players to make a good show with the list and the whole thing has moved beyond the back burner for me.

I've been trying (and failing) to find a good way to say this all morning on the other thread, but I'll attempt it here:
Folks seem to want to replicate the real-world perils of an airborne drop in epic (i.e. teleport isn't fine-grained enough; doesn't take into account the transports getting shot down etc. etc.). However, I would argue that a viable game of epic requires that that phase of an airborne operation is abstracted out. As Mosc has said in the other thread (in so many words), any mechanic that takes those perils into account is going to lead to a game that is way too open to chance. I have not played Aeronautica Imperialis, but trying to get troops to a drop zone in the face of enemy integrated air defenses seems more appropriate for AI than epic.

Sure, there may be parts of the drop that went horribly wrong, but that should be understood to be happening somewhere else (other than the E:A game board). An airborne operation just isn't happening without (at least temporary) air supremacy. I think of it in terms of 40k fiction - I was always annoyed by how horribly incompetent and/or unlucky the IN was whenever they're mentioned in the books, until the lightbulb went off and I realized almost nothing major/interesting in ground combat can happen (i.e. some invasion of a planet) unless you get the navy out of the way.

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What I did to help with the price issue is take the Brigade Models Hestia and chop it up a bit, add some plasticard, and get something close enough.


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If you guys don't mind posting if you are the players, that would be helpful. I am curious who they are. I am one of them. :)

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Never seen one, but then I've never met another epic player in the real world, apart from friends playing vs me with my own minis ... and i have no elysian minis nor stuff to proxy them :D

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I've never seen one but I will eventually have Valks etc for my Catachans so could essentially proxy it.


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i've never seen one per se, and while i have purchased the necessary models to make one myself, i have no intention of doing so.

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Apocolocyntosis wrote:
Never seen one, but then I've never met another epic player in the real world, apart from friends playing vs me with my own minis ... and i have no elysian minis nor stuff to proxy them :D


same here. I was thinking of maybe putting together a 1000pt army for practising against myself, but i don't think that's the quality of playtest you're after.


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I've seen your Elysians, Mosc, and we've been allies in one game, but I've never played against your Elysians.

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I have Vanaheim, and hope to use them for Elysians in the fullness of time. I have no idea what that makes me. Indecisive, perhaps? I just don't know.

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