It would have the same speed as any other sper-heavy vehicle. Thats 6" a turn which translates to 15cm in Epic. Note that the Gorgon is as fast as the Crassus too.
I have no problem with a transport capacity of 7 units
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
Pretty pictures here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/C ... SPORT.html Fluff: Quote: This immense armoured carrier is named after one of Lord Solar Macharius’ greatest generals, Borgen Crassus, who remained steadfastly loyal to the Imperium throughout the grim and bloody Macharian Heresy that followed the Lord Solar’s death. The vehicle can be retrofitted with additional weapons to fulfil other battlefield roles as required, and thousands of these vast transports were drafted into the 6th Cadian Armoured’s ranks during the fighting on Betalis III. Rules: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/P ... rassus.pdf Proposed Epic stats: Imerial Guard Crassus Armoured Assault Transport Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight War Engine 15cm 4+ 6+ 5+ Weapon Range Firepower Notes 4 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ - Damage Capacity 2. Critical Hit Effect: One of the Crassus' tracks is blown off. The Crassus is now immobilized and can't move anymore. Notes: Reinforced Armour, Transport (Six Infantry units. Ogryns take up two transport spaces each). |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
Basically it is a Gorgon "Light". |
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| Author: | GlynG [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
E&C suggested it could have move 25cm, though this will be best determined once we get the new IA book and can see what speeds the vehicle can move. Bumping up the capacity to 7 could be a possible option too, as then two could carry an IG company, without needing any extra vehicles and 3 of them for a company would probably be prohibitively expensive. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
It would have the same speed as any other sper-heavy vehicle. Thats 6" a turn which translates to 15cm in Epic. Note that the Gorgon is as fast as the Crassus too. I have no problem with a transport capacity of 7 units
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| Author: | zombocom [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
The epic gorgon was increased to 20cm because there's basically no point in 15cm transport. I also recommend sticking to 6 transport capacity and simply having 12 unit formations in any list this is put into. |
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| Author: | GlynG [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
BlackLegion wrote: It would have the same speed as any other sper-heavy vehicle. Thats 6" a turn which translates to 15cm in Epic. I meant the max on and off roads speed listed in the technical specs for the vehicle, which can guide appropriate speed for it, not the standard movement in the rules. 25cm seems a bit fast but it should at least be 20cm like the Gorgon. If it's to be added to the Cadian list I guess it could be up to the Cadian AC to have it 6 capacity or 12 strong units. |
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| Author: | Spectrar Ghost [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
If it is added to the Cadian list, it would displace the Stormlord, and cause considerable rearrangement of unit sizes. While I'm not catagorically against this, I'd like to wait for IA11 to come out and see the background first. |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
Of course ... there is no model for it ... 
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| Author: | Spectrar Ghost [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
Nor is there one for the Stormlord, though I'm told that's temporary... |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
Indeed ... 
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
zombocom wrote: The epic gorgon was increased to 20cm because there's basically no point in 15cm transport. Surely there is a reason: Denying the opponent AP shots. Keeping the Infantry save inside the transports. They are only a liability when MW or even TK shots come into play. |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
In my circles they're nicknamed "death tractors" because staying inside them is suicide. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
Have you tried it? For my Space Marines it is rare that i NOT let them stay inside their transports unless faced with air-assaults or MW/TK shots. |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
Space marines are very different; they get a 4+ save if the transport is killed. If a full Gorgon is destroyed that's probably 10 dead troops too. Not to mention that it becomes a target for every MW and TK on the board. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crassus Armoured Assault Transport |
IG Infantry will get a 6+ cover save. Not much but better than nothing. |
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