Greetings!

As I've mentioned elsewhere, with the NetEA Army Docs nearing completion, I'm looking to get some of my old projects back on the front burners.

One I'd really like to see moving is EPIC: Black Crusade, a showcase of the core Chaos armies, along with Ulthwe Eldar and the Cadians. The first three armies are, essentially, playtested and done, but the Cadians need some love, so I'm posting their most up-to-date version right here for people to examine and, hopefully, playtest!

Your comments, questions, and input are greatly appreciated!

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Correct! They just have a different Initiative value.

Cool list, Chroma.
I like the stats of the leviathan as the armament/DC/voids more properly represent the 'old school' model than other stat-lines I've seen, but what's your justification for the 200pt cost?

i ask because for the same cost as a superheavy platoon, you get more DC, voids, transport, etc. etc. etc.

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Er... the Cadians should have Commissars... says so right at the top.

More to come.

Nice list Chroma.

The Imp. Bastion mentions Terminators in it's notes. Am I missing something here?

It's an *Imperial* Bastion... Marines could use it if they so desired...

Kasrkins are listed as a 'Character' type unit!

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My thoughts:


I don't see the need for Special Weapons squads (Extraneous unit with no model to represent it), nor Sappers (Not remarkable as a Cadian speciality AFAIK?).


Why are the "Kasrkin Elite Platoon" 50pts more expensive than the same formation size in the Steel Legion list?


Minefields: Requiring a specific scenario that you've written yourself to be able to use them (Or rules drawn therefrom, the wording is unclear), seems awkward. I'd recommend a specially written special rule if you want "hidden" minefields.


Bastion: Not a fan of immobile war engines with direct fire guns, seems tactics-lite to me.
Statwise, you have arcs on battlecannons and lascannons, yipes!



And now some general list style comments:

Because this is not a mechanised list, I find it unlikely that the Hellhound, Griffon, or Leman Russ upgrades will ever be selected, the addition of AV's to infantry formations is too much of a drawback. Even individual Hydras might remain rare.

I would recommend deleting those three upgrade options, and creating new Hellhound and Griffon formations.

>Insert standard comment about Emperor Battleship only being worth 200pts<

I would recommend making the Kasrikin support formation come with Chimeras as standard, paying some points to upgrade to Valkyries. And I'd probably recommend using the Kasrkin unit datafax for them, instead of the Storm Trooper one, as a way of further rationalising your very large stock of infantry units.

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E&C - A Bastion is a defensive position right? Why would there be 360 degree firing? i.e Bunkers aren't built that way. At minimum I think they could go to all fwd arcs.

Another typo Chroma under Kasrkin Hellguns firepower - "Small Armes"

Dobbsy: because no ground unit in the game has such minor weapons with arcs.

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