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Why ever Bombard?
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Author:  Erik M [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
Why would anyone ever take a Bombard?
The Basilisk has reach and punch.
The Hydra has AA and punch.
The Manticore has reach and lots o'punch.

Code Sample: 

Basilisk  AV 20cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Earthshaker     120cm  Ã‚ AP4+/AT4+ or 1BP, Indirect
Heavy Bolter     30cm  Ã‚ AP5+

Bombard   AV 20cm 6+ 6+ 5+
Siege Mortar     45cm   2BP, Ignore Cover, Indirect, Slow
Heavy Bolter     30cm   AP5+

Hydra     AV 30cm 6+ 6+ 5+
2x Hydra         45cm   AP4+/AT5+/AA5+
Heavy Bolter     30cm   AP5+

Manticore AV 20cm 6+ 6+ 5+
Rocket Launcher 150cm   2BP, Disrupt, Indirect, Slow
Heavy Bolter     30cm   AP5+

Barrage  Extra   Extra Blast  AP AT
Points  Templates  Markers
  1      None       None     6+ 6+
  2      None       None     5+ 6+
  3      None       None     4+ 5+
 4-5     One        None     4+ 5+
 6-7     One        One      4+ 5+


If it has Walker it could be useful for close support for Catachans, or Move 15cm and thus Garrison, but that's about it.
Author:  Man of kent [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
dropping it down to move 15 might be a good idea actually...
Author:  Mephiston [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
Ignore cover is quite good. I've seen them used occasionally. It's normal the only artillery that doesn't get killed quickly in my experience.
Author:  Erik M [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
And why are they not killed immediately?
Perhaps because they are not seen as a threat?
And have you seen them being effective?
Author:  Chroma [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
Bombards are murder against Tyranid Common Broods or any other infantry that like to hang out in cover... they, essentially, get "+1" to hit against any infantry that are hugging tanks or sitting in fortifications.

I think many people just disregard them without even trying them, but think about how many times you're firing on things in cover.
Author:  Erik M [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
I got heaps of them, but want to know if to use them or if to re-build them into really cool Basilisks...  :sus:
Author:  Chroma [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
Quote: (Erik M @ 31 Dec. 2008, 12:18 )

I got heaps of them, but want to know if to use them or if to re-build them into really cool Basilisks...  :sus:

Well, have some battles with them, and *you* tell *us*!  *laugh*

Bombards are more dependent on the types/density of terrain you play on, in addition to the enemies you face.  I rarely use them as, 1) I don't actually field Guard that often, and 2) I've only got three of them in my whole collection.  *sigh*

I'll ask our local Guard player to take them for a spin some time.
Author:  Markconz [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
Bombards?! I hate them with a vengeance!    :alien:

My most frequent guard opponent invariably uses at least one battery and often two at 3-4K, instead of, or in addition to other artillery types. They are a very high target priority for me... absolute murder against infantry horde armies like orcs or tyranids. Ignore cover means you just can't hide from them and each fire mission will devastate an entire infantry formation.

Certainly they don't need any boost in my opinion. They have their niche and are deadly in it. Maybe let's talk about downgrading them instead...  :;):
Author:  Erik M [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
As support batteries they can be used, but compared to Basilisk shooting every turn and good direct fire AT or Hydra with double AP/AT and AA on top it's hard.
But they can take a bit o'punishment and still deliver an additional template.

Though choice. Perhaps my dune happy Tallarns can make better use of them?
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:57 pm ]
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I use Bombards because they ignore cover. As others have said, they can be handy against infantry.
Author:  wargame_insomniac [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
When I play IG artillery I would take Basilisks as company choice or Manticores as battery. I rarely tkae the former because I invariaboly have Mechanised Company (well Supreme Commander), Shadowsord Company and Leman Russ company, and to maintain activation level I prefer taking near max support formations rather than a 4th company choice.

So for me artillery is typically 1 or 2 Manticore batteries.

Although the ignore cover of bombard would be nice. it is not enough to justify me taking them instead of the Manticores.n And if I took them as well as Manticores then I probably would have uad to drop other stuff such as sentinels.

Would be happy to see if other players have had good expereinces with Bombards. Variety is good and always like freshening up way I play.

Cheers

James
Author:  nealhunt [ Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:33 pm ]
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Assuming IDF w/ Sustained Fire, Bombards get...

+33% hits against infantry in cover
+0-100% kills against infantry in cover (based on saves/cover saves)
+50% hits against AV in cover

With Orks, I'd rather face Manticores any day.  9 Manticore shots against Boyz in woods is 3 kills.  9 Bombard shots is 5 kills, a 2/3 increase.  Against Stompas/Supastompas in woods, it's a 1/2 increase.  Both of those are extremely common in my games.
Author:  Soren [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Why ever Bombard?
Bombards are worth every point. Their ignore cover is priceless and they pack quite a punch. (imho)

Soren
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