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[Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
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Author:  Chroma [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:37 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
As per orders, a thread for discussion of my two Cadian lists.

My plan is to include them in the upcoming "Black Crusade" supplement that focuses on Chaos and the forces that oppose it.

I've included two "variations" of the Cadian army to show them on different attack/defense footings, but using the same pool of units.

Looking forward to discussion/playtesting!
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
I'll probably playtest the Defense Force list as I have a cadian army painted up.
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:39 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists

(Evil and Chaos @ Jun. 02 2008,17:38)
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I'll probably playtest the Defense Force list as I have a cadian army painted up.

Cool!

Got bunkers and bastions?   :D
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
One or two. :)

No Thick Rear Armour for the Cadian fortress?
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists

(Evil and Chaos @ Jun. 02 2008,17:41)
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One or two. :)

No Thick Rear Armour for the Cadian fortress?

Nope, at least not yet.

My idea was that it's something similar to the Normandy beach defenses... if you get behind them, they're a lot more vulnerable to attack.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
And yeah, IMHO you should bring a tank formation into the Defense List, then drop/rename the 'shock' list, as Cadians don't use mechanised armies.
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists

(Evil and Chaos @ Jun. 02 2008,17:48)
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And yeah, IMHO you should bring a tank formation into the Defense List, then drop/rename the 'shock' list, as Cadians don't use mechanised armies.

I think these gentlemen would argue with you...   :D

Mechanized Formations
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
It's notable that Cadian mechanised armies form ~6% of the Cadian armies mentioned on that page.

~67% of armies on that page are 'shock troop' armies however (What you call Defense Force lists).
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists

(Evil and Chaos @ Jun. 02 2008,18:04)
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~67% of armies on that page are 'shock troop' armies however (What you call Defense Force lists).

Actually, the Defense Force list more represents the "Interior Guard" of Cadia than a 'Shock Troop' army.

But it'll be under consideration.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:36 am ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
1. It's Kasrkin not Karskin :)

2. Scrap the Shock Troops army list. Focus on the Defence Force and rename it Shock Troops. For now the Shock Troops list looks like the Steel Legion army list plus Stormtroopers Company and Conscripts.

3. Both the Cadians and Steel Legion use Conscripts. In your list they are regular Infantry units but the formation has Initiative 3+. In my list this is the same but i have Consctip unit son their own which have no shooting attack and  FF6+.
We should aggree on similar stats if we both use the same unit.
Author:  zombocom [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:42 am ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
I would agree that the Defense Force is the much more interesting list. The Shock Troops list is just too similar to the steel legion list to be worth playing.

Psykers definately shouldn't be random. It's a nightmare from a WYSIWYG point of view, and it doesn't scale for larger games. Fix it at 1 per 1000 points.

I think conscripts probably deserve their own stats.
Author:  Onyx [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:04 am ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
I like both lists and we've used both here a few times.
I actually went out and found a building that I could use as a Bastion (JRM 10mm building - pics coming soon).

If the Shock Troop list is similar to the Steel Legion one then couldn't it be said that the Defence list is similar to the Krieg one? I'm not worried about it and I like both lists. Minimal new units but both lists still have character.
Keep em both I say!

Thanks Chroma.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
If the Shock Troop list is similar to the Steel Legion one then couldn't it be said that the Defence list is similar to the Krieg one?

Nah, the 'defense list' has some definite unique features, and a different feel to the Krieg list (If Barans are low-tech siege, and Krieg medium-tech siege, the cadians are high-tech siege).
Author:  Reaver [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists
Minor question: why no Capitol Imperialis? I know Jervis had planned the Cap Imp to be part of the Cadian list all those years ago.

Regards,
Reaver
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:38 pm ]
Post subject:  [Cadia] 'Shock Troop' and Defense Force Army Lists

(Reaver @ Jun. 03 2008,12:03)
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Minor question: why no Capitol Imperialis? I know Jervis had planned the Cap Imp to be part of the Cadian list all those years ago.

I'd certainly consider it!  Are there decent stats out there for it?

Thanks for the input so far gentlemen (and ladies, if appropriate!)... but I wanna see some playtests!   :D
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