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 Post subject: Batrep Minervan:Biel-Tan (3k)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:37 pm 
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We had a game of 3k today. The Eldar of a friend of mine were facing my Minervans. A very close game. It was 2:0 for me because of a single stand non suppressed poor bloody and underrated Guardsmen between all this shiny metal pieces. :glare:

More of this tomorrow but be sure, it?s a nice story. Have to get the pictures online somehow....... ???

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:40 am 
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 Post subject: Batrep Minervan:Biel-Tan (3k)
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:08 am 
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The armies:

Biel-Tan Warhost 3000 points

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Aspect Warrior Warhost:
4 Dire Avenger
4 Fire Dragons
4 Wave Serpents
Autarch + Exarch

Guardian Warhost
3 Phantom droid

Guardian Warhost
replaced 3 weapon platforms

Ranger Troupe
4 Ranger

Falcon Troupe 1
4 Falcons
1 Firestorm

Falcon Troupe 2
4 Falcons
1 Firestorm

Engines of Vaul
1 Voidspinner

Windrider Host 1
3 Vyper

Windrider Host 2
3 Vyper

Nightwing Squadron 1

Nightwing Squadron 2


Tank Legion Bataillon 3000 points

Tank Company 1
Supreme Commander
1 Hydra
1 Salamander Command
1 Vanquisher
1 Exterminator

Tank Company 2
1 Hydra
Salamander Command
3 Demolisher


Infantry Platoon
poor bloody Infantry

Vulture Squadron

Stormtrooper Platoon
4 Valkyries

SHT Platoon
1 Shadowsword

Titan Detachment
1 Warhound Scout Titan

IN Flight
2 Tbolts

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:12 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:27 am 
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Turn 1:

Initiative: Eldar

On Their first activation the Void Spinner opens fire and a cloud of razorsharp wire rains from the sky. They are targeting the Vulture squadron but do not more than scatching on the bulletproof windowsights. Seconds later a flight of Nightwings appears from nowhere, dodging the unprecise Hydra fire and aiming toward the Vulture squadron. The Lance shots and Shuriken hurled between the already dodging Vultures, missing or glancing off the plaststeel.

In the town the garrissoned Stormtroopers engaged the Rangers on a small sign of their commissar, annihilating them but loosing a stand in the precise counterfire of this small, nasty snipers.

Again out of nowhere the second flight of Nightwings, again dodginh the pitty AA, raced toward the position of the Vultures, piercing one?s armor with a bright lance and sending the other three broken into cover.

Now both armies hurled forward to get into superior position the engage the enemy in turn 2.

Notable is the precise Sniper shot of the Shadowsword on the Void Spinner, doing two damage and sending it broken into cover. Because of tactical needness, the Infantry platoon raised to the left flank to help defending the Tank company of the SC against an overwhelming enemy force (Windrider Host, Falcon Troupe and Aspect Warriors in hitting distance)

Rally Phase:
Void Spinner avoided rallying, also the battered Vulture squadron





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:01 pm 
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Turn 2

Initiative rolls 8:8, draw, initiative goes to Minervan

The Emperor really watched over the men and women of the Minervan Legion, which used the force speed they gained to escape the trap the eldar forces layed on the right flank.

The Tank Company on the threatened right flank opened fire, simply annihilating the Windrider host.  

In a second activation, the Stormtroopers tried to get rid of the Guardian warhost with Phantom Droids, threatening their flank along with the second Windrider host an the second Falcon troupe. Although the activation of the Rocket pods and precise Plasma rifle fire, they managed only to thit 2! guardians, not enough to secure their position within the city.

Now Initiative turns to the Eldar forces, which they use to erade the Warhound Titan from existance. In a spectacular show of firepower, several lances fired from falcon troupe 1 penetrated the void shields of the mighty warmachine. It was send to ground within seconds after opening fire.

On their second activation, the Falcon troupe 2 tried to marshall their blast markers they have carried over. They shot on the tank company on their flank....and rolled snake eyes on the marshall roll.  :glare:

The Shadowsword gain a LOS on one of the Eldar tanks trying to get back in order, and erade one from existance with his Volcano cannon. This is too much for the battered Falcon troupe and they flee in cover toward their Blitzkrieg objective.

With a scream, a Nightwing squadron leaped down to avenge their comrades, targeting the lone Shadowsword, doing one point of damage. The second Nightwing squadron was held off in an adjacted Sector by freshly arrived IN Squadrons and refused to engage the Shadowsword.

The Autarch decided, it it time to show the pitty Chem-pan-sey the might of the swordwind by making an example on the infantry platoon. The Commissar of the platoon, quite plainly looking on the extinction of his man, raised his chainsword and ordered them to open fire. If they will die, they will take as much treehuggers with them as they get.  :;): In a two turn engagement, the two formation nearly annihilate each other, leaving back 55 dead guardsmen, 4 destroyed Chimeras. The Aspect warrior warhost has ceased to exist in the moment the brave guardsmen gunned down the lone 5 Firedragons (1 surviving stand) tried to get back up the hill they came from. Badly hit, a lone seagent tried to get back the survivors into combat readiness, so they remained broken in the wood.

The second tank company, racing through the city targeted the already shot, but combat ready, Guardian Warhost. The brute show of firepower annihilated them, and only ten fearless (haha)  Phantom droids escaped the carnage.



Rally Phase:

Void Spinner rallies, but Phantom Droids and Falcon troupe decided to stay out of combat.

Infantry platoon rallies, but Vultures not (funny guys on the way to get executed)





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:06 pm 
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Turn 3

Initiative rolls 6:6, draw, initiative goes to Eldar

On the left flank the Windrider engaged the Stormtroopers, eager to revenge their fallen guardian comrades. In a show of brutal efficiency, they cut down all but 10 stromtroopers, which ran for their lives into the ruins of the city, guide by their commissar. The remaining windriders take the left objective in the Minervans half of the table.

In turn three it seems the Emperor has decided to let the Minervans fight harder for their victory. In a combined assault, the Falcons, the Avatar and the remaining guadian warhost with platforms engaged the Tank company in the city......and erase it within seconds from existance. The pure might of the Avatar left the tank crews without chance and they are cut down to the last man (ouch)

The complete left flank of the minervans ceased to exist within minutes. The commander did a quick decision. He propoted the lone seargent of the Infantry platoon to a lieutenant and ordered him to engage the only remaining Eldar formation in the half of the Minervans, the Windriders which have destroyed the brave Stormtroopers.
Doubling toward the Windriders, only one troop fire ready. (not supressed), the freshly promoted lieutenant kicks off the crewman of the autocannon, takes aim, targets a vyper. The shots rip through the light vehicle, sending the remaining jetbikes fleeing behind a hill.

Conclusion 2(BTS, They shall not pass):0 for Minervans





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Unit of the Battle:

Clearly the Guradsmen. Not only they beat the much higher rated Aspect warriors, the last shot in the game gave the 2nd victory point to the Minervans. Never leave home without them :D

Looser of the Battle:

Vultures: They never got off a shot, and were annihilated in the last turn by the Nightwings. 300pts for nothing (again)

We discussed about the Minervan list after the game. My comrade stated, as long as you take the formations like I did, the list is playable and fully OK. The demolisher change didn?t affect us very much in this game (so I will not stat my opinion to this here) because the formation with the three demolishers was ripped apart in CC by the Avatar and folks behind him.

He specially liked the closeness of the list to the regular IG list. Playing makes fun because of some changes in the companies, but the major (and most time really meaningless) changes of other lists are absent. (beside of the Tank platoon, which we not used, and never will)

I asked him, if we should try the Vultures with 90 or 60cm. The stated it does no difference, he will try to get rid of them anyway every time he encounteres them, whatever range they get. But he also stated, with AT3+ he wouldn?t buy them. 300 pts for a one shot wonder 3+(4+ on double) are too much.

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(beside of the Tank platoon, which we not used, and never will)


What if Tank Platoon had a small extra charge (50-100pts) on top of the cost of the tanks, which you'd pay for the privilge of getting that cheaper RA4+ activation?


Anything else broken about the list at this point that you could see?


Were the army lists chosen knowing the opponent army in advance?





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(Soren @ Oct. 31 2007,10:27)
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also the battered Vulture squadron

Wow!  Your opponent *really* hates Vultures!  I couldn't believe the amount of fire he put on a single formation of them...

Wonder what they'd do if there were *three* Vulture squadrons... *laugh*

Thanks for the entertaining BatRep Soren!

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(Evil and Chaos @ Oct. 31 2007,11:52)
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(beside of the Tank platoon, which we not used, and never will)


What if Tank Platoon had a small extra charge (50-100pts) on top of the cost of the tanks, which you'd pay for the privilge of getting that cheaper RA4+ activation?


Anything else broken about the list at this point that you could see?


Were the army lists chosen knowing the opponent army in advance?

I will never take them because I do not want an cheap 4+ RA unit in the list.

My opinion is: The Tank companies are the backbone of this army. Most opponents already have a hard time getting rid of 2 of this formations. (exept you build your army especially to fight Minervans, not friendly, but with many TK and MW weapons they are toast as fast a you can say "cheese")
If you also allow them in  smaller amounts, the will get too good (imho). Think about 240pts 6 vehicle squadrons of MW4+ shooting 30cm assault tanks now possible.

I don?t like it (personal flavor, afraid of abuse, I think thats it)

My opponent knew my Minervans, but his list was not designed to beat them. We play with standard lists to get a feel of the army and only alter one or two formations each battle. We believe we can win with every average army against every other average army.  :;): And it?s much more fun than competing with genetically designed counter armies.

The second thing are the Medusa assault guns. They really shouldnt stay an extra activation. Too fragile. for just 120 pts I can add 3 thunderers with MW4+ AND 4+ RA...why should I buy Medusas? (Trust me, you have not left any support slot to fill them up with cheap 150pts activations in THAT list)

@Chroma: The Vultures cost him one of this formations (or at least reduces it?s combat effectiveness near to zero). Most of the times this will be the falcons or his aspects. They a really pain in his a** if he doesn?t hit them first. He learned it the hard way.  :D We really rolled bad dices. Normally he only needs one activation to make them useless (Nightwings). The flak of the Minervan list is not really designed to stop Nightwings hunting Vultures :)





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My opponent knew my Minervans, but his list was not designed to beat them. We play with standard lists to get a feel of the army and only alter one or two formations each battle. We believe we can win with every average army against every other average army.  :;): And it?s much more fun than competing with genetically designed counter armies.


I strongly agree!

Your points about the Medusas are good ones.

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Because of this Medusas are a Company Upgrade in my SteelLegion PDF armylist :)

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I may copy that... :)

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You will take a minimum of upgrades anyway. Else Thunderer upgrade of 3 will be cheaper than 3 Medusas. Why should I buy them if I can save 30 pts witn the same result? Even as upgrade they are worthless with the stats they have now

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