Just saying that taking the SL Stormtrooper and renaming it to Kasrkin is a boring take on them. I'd rather see a similar but unique take on a spec ops unit to distinguish them between the two lists such as swapping Scout for Infiltrator. I'm not saying anything regarding price and they may warrant adjustment.

In the fluff the Kasrkin work in a more integrated fashion with the rest of the army being part of the same direct COC unlike Storm Troopers. That and synergizing Scout with something like a StormLord is pretty hard and probably prone to abuse

Your idea of a specific Kasrkin Commander is good (that or just make them a CH unit). Always thought the Guard commander INF unit was kinda wonky concept.

_________________
He's a lawyer and a super-villian. That's like having a shark with a bazooka!

-I HAVE NO POINT
-Penal Legion-Fan list
-Help me make Whitescars not suck!

Ahh, then I follow. Agreeing on that they should stay as they are iconic for the Cadians. Do not want them to have scout for the same reason you just said, it will just be messy...

Infiltrate... might be too good don't you think? Perhaps giving them a Kasrkin Commander will do? (EA+1 or something...)
Still, infiltrate will be very nice, hmmm

The question is because 2 Stormlords can hold 16 bases. With 13 bases in the main formation (the infantry company) you are unable to take a Karsikin or Support Squad upgrade and fit in the Stormlords. So I was wondering if it had be considered from that view point and intentionally left that way or if it was just a copy/paste from the Steel Legion entry.

My choice would be to either drop it to 11 infantry and 1 commander unit (or make the commander a CH) or to allow you to take up to 3 Stormlords.

_________________
Current EA Armies:
Steel Legion (6k+)
Orks (6k+)
Iron Warriors (Currently Building)
Daemons

My Commission Website: http://hulksmashstudios.webs.com
My Languishing Blog that will soon host some Epic stuff: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com

12 in the formation would be ideal in my opinion

_________________
He's a lawyer and a super-villian. That's like having a shark with a bazooka!

-I HAVE NO POINT
-Penal Legion-Fan list
-Help me make Whitescars not suck!

I have no idea why, would put my money on copy paste also...
I have taken the Sabres and they come in sets of 3 so no problem for me, but I would also like the units to fit in their transports. I rather leave one of my units then take 3 WE unless i play for more than 3000 points but I really see no problem with doing both.
So perhaps we should make the leaders "characters" if you know what I mean. (The unit would loose one shot but I can live with that.) And raise the limitation on the Stormlords, to me they are self limiting (?) in their cost...

I'm 100% on board with those. For fun games I'd like to have access to larger units riding in Stormlords and for smaller games I'd like to be able to put Karskin in for engagement punch or fire support squads for more ranged support. I'm definitely a fan of just making the officers a CH instead of their own stand.

Fluffwise Cadians are supposed to be more involved officers. Spending more time in the same conditions as their men so it also makes sense there too.

_________________
Current EA Armies:
Steel Legion (6k+)
Orks (6k+)
Iron Warriors (Currently Building)
Daemons

My Commission Website: http://hulksmashstudios.webs.com
My Languishing Blog that will soon host some Epic stuff: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com

It would be nice. OTOH we might actually start seeing Kasrkin more regularly too

_________________
He's a lawyer and a super-villian. That's like having a shark with a bazooka!

-I HAVE NO POINT
-Penal Legion-Fan list
-Help me make Whitescars not suck!

Ok, so why don't we try the Commander with a CH EA+1 and "Commander" and the Kasrkin with Infiltrate?

(I would really like to see leader on the commander but since the "normal" IG commander lacks that it might be wrong. I can count the number of times I have used "commander" on my left foot, does anyone use this other then to assault a titan with two terminator formations? Perhaps I am missing something but the extra number and perhaps another Commissar compared to loosing an activation just seems bad most of the time. Also the within 5 cm means you expose yourself to be intermingled in return and with only 2 i SR chances are the opponent goes first...)

Looks like we only change things to the better, is that ok or do the Cadians have the powercreep syndrome?
I do not think they are to good but it is just my opinion. They lack Warhounds and Vultures and Leeman Russ companies and gets some WE instead.

Why infiltrate? What is that supposed to represent? Isn't that usually reserved for faster moving troops? Wouldn't a point deceease be better?

_________________
https://epic40ksweden.wordpress.com/

"You have a right to be offended" - Steve Hughes
"Your feelings are hurting my thoughts" - Aron Flam

It could also represent them being well trained and able to sneak/position themselves closer to the enemy before they are spotted...

Infiltrate can also represent stealth and sneakiness, like ork kommandos. If Kasrkin is special ops, it could be appropriate. I do not really see the point, though. Are they not FF-oriented and most of the time transported?

/fredmans

Valid point! I'm not totally convinced ether but I can see them using it. They are bought without transport and several times when I have played them they are walking right next to the transport rather then riding in it so they avoid auto-destruction The 2x move is good even if they want to FF.
Not as useful as scout but another flavour...

If they would be without a skill would you lower the cost?

Battlereport:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=28486

Any movement on the AC issue Rug? Could you perhaps take over the control if you don't want me or someone else to do it, so we could implement some of the changes suggested above?

Great news!!

_________________
He's a lawyer and a super-villian. That's like having a shark with a bazooka!

-I HAVE NO POINT
-Penal Legion-Fan list
-Help me make Whitescars not suck!