Well the Disrupt on a TK weapon is pretty pointless against most targets. And as the Shock Pulse doesn't work on WE...

AT2+, Macro-Weapon, Disrupt would be my prefered choice.

Besides wheren`t you the Champion of the Minervan Tank Legion? And isn't there an Errata in the works for Epic: Raiders? Would be a good time to propose more apropiate stats for the Destroyer

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TK Disrupt is kinda silly, as the disrupt element will only come up if the target passes an invulnerable save.

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You wanna bring that up with Bill, Ben?

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On WE Malcadors:

IF we would agree on 2DC WE Malcadors with 4+ saves other ideas to use those could be:
Purchase a "Malcador Support" formation(4 Malcadors one with Commander) with the option to purchase 3 additional Malcadors twice. Sure this would cost an arm and a leg if fully upgraded.

Or:
Purchase a "Malcador Command Squadron" formation(4 Malcadors one with Commander) which allows you to field 0-2 "Malcador Squqdron" formations of 3 Malcadors each.
A second Malcador Command Formation would be only purchaseable if you already field 2 "Malcador Squadron" formations.


I hope so. Not only because this would help sort out the fuss with the Valdor

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I'll contact him about it and see what he thinks.

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Uploaded a 2nd draft in the first posting. V0.2.

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AV Malacadors just work so much better at epic scale. There's no reason to make them WE other than slavish following of 40k. They're quite significantly smaller than a land raider, for example.

They are only WE in 40k because that was the easiest way to allow them to split fire at different targets.

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Indeed, please get rid of the impractical DC2 from all Malcador-hulled vehicles.


Also, I'd like to see the Valdor's shot with Disrupt, because it just fits.

Note that the Valdor only has one sponson weapon (Lascannon), not two.

The Minotaur's armour profile in 40k is impressive enough to give it the Thick Rear Armour Special Rule.

The Colossus is better than a Basilisk, yet you have it priced the same.

Why are Minotaurs (a specialist vehicle type, surely) a Core Formation?

The Thunderstrike Missile Launcher formation is incredibly awesome (20BP that ignores cover!!). Easily worth 400pts+ for two AV units. I'd suggest something more like BP6, or possibly simply remove the unit.

I would suggest that a Stormlord is worth more than 3 Chimeras (support formation, equal pricing for transports).

I would suggest that Valdors would be better utilised as a Support Formation than as Upgrades.

Armoured Sentinel's Lascannon is listed at AT4+
Malcador's Lascannons are listed at AT4+
Malcador's Heavy Bolter is listed at AT4+(heh)
I would suggest FF3+ for the Malcador Defender.
Malcador Annihilator's Lascannons are listed at AT4+
Valdor's Lascannon(s) is listed at AT4+

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I think we could consider it.  I'd like to post it in a separate thread and get some feedback from people playing the Minervn list.  Quite honestly I don't see this variant chosen very often and I am unsure if anyone would even notice the change...

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The Colossus isn't better than the Basilisk because it lacks the Basilisks direct fire ability. Also now i changed the range to 15-120cm.

Well i thought the better armour on the Minotaurs justify WE status but its jzust fine as a AV with TRA.

And the Lascannons are indeed all a copy-paste typo  

So V0.3 uploade din firstposting.
Changes:
- Removed typos
- Added Heavy Infatry and Heavy Fire Support units
- altered Colossus ranges
- Changed Minotaurs vehicle type and annded TRA and moved to Support Formation (was a typo)
- added the missing Disrupt to the Valdor
- Changed Thunderstrike to 6BP Ignore Cover
So. Any Suggestions for points costs?

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I feel that 120cm 1BP with ignores cover and indirect fire is quite superior to a Basilisk.

I would never take Basilisks or Manticores if these Colossusi were available.

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The direct fire on a basilisk isn't that amazing, I'd take ignore cover over it any day of the week. The colossus needs to be more expensive.

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A few notes on a quick skim:

The list still has "Steel Legion Core Formations"

Storm Trooper Task Force: A Stormlord is worth a lot more than 4 chimeras.

Thunderstrike: Is it really neccessary?

Griffons: The option to add a single griffon might be nice, as it would be a neat upgrade to infantry companies (allowing garrisoning), while fitting with your "we like explosives" theme.

Imperial Guard Heavy Infantry: Didn't you mention they used autoguns rather than lasguns earlier?

Imperial Guard Bikes: Worse save than the infantry? Why? Surely they'd wear the same envirosuits?

Malcador Heavy bolter has AP4
Malacdor Annihilator twin Lascannon has AP4/AT4

As noted above, Colossus is too good.

The Stormlord is absolutely amazing and will have to be incredibly expensive. Are any of the secondary weapons optional weapon that can be dropped?

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At least 200-225pts each, I'd say.

It shoots better than a Baneblade, and has a transport capacity to boot ; if it were an independent vehicle it'd be worth 250-275pts I reckon.

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@zombocom: Good catch on all the typos.

Single Griffons as upgrade? Hmm what does other poeple think?

The Stormlord will never be a formation of its own. It will be allways attached tpo a formation.

Uplaoded V0.04

- more typos removed
- Colossi are now upgrades for Artillery Company and Battery.

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