Quote: (Chroma @ 11 Dec. 2008, 13:35 )
My primary issue with your "Interior Guard" list is that you can make an army with no Cadians at all with it!  Multiple Inquisitor formations, Grey Knights, Titans and Aircraft could all be taken without a single "real" Cadian formation.
That's absolutely fine! Note, however, that this would be a
Cadian Ordo Malleus force, as it has Inquisitors leading Kasrkin, not the usual hodge-podge of henchmen, and with a very limited number of formation types.
Frankly, however, I don't think there's much risk of that. A list of just Inquisitor+Kasrkin and Grey Knights with titans and aircraft wouldn't be much cop, especially when you could build a TRUE Ordo Malleus Strike Force with the full range of toys. The whole attraction with this list (as far as an Inquisition player is concerned) will be taking all those companies with leman russ, hydra and superheavies...
Remember, this list can be many things to many people. If you build the list in a permissive (yet balanced) manner then if I want to take what is essentially an Ordo Malleus force with guard allies, I can do, while you might want to have a pure guard army with perhaps an Inquisitor in it if you want to be wacky - hey that's cool too. By allowing both options to be built, we only need one list between us which will keep everyone happy.
Quote: (Moscovian @ 11 Dec. 2008, 14:22 )
I like your Inquisition list being a separate list from the Cadians as opposed to requiring Cadians in it.  What do you think about writing it in more general terms so that it can pull upon any of the Guard lists?  The fact that it would be featured alongside the Cadians would mean people would probably put them together anyway.
Chroma suggested something similar but I'm really dead set against it. I do NOT want to get into the 40K situation of having Inquistorial elements tacked onto other, fully balanced armies. It really doesn't work and the perception (rightly or wrongly) will remain that it is an unbalanced fannish addition. I'm firmly against any "add on" system.
What I want is a discrete list that incorporates the most popular Inquisitorial elements (i.e. the Grey Knights, as these have models) with an Imperial Guard force. Making it a single list means that this can be (at least in theory) internally and externally balanced without having to consider every imperial list past present and future. Now, this Guard/Inquistion list does not
have to be Cadians, however in the background the Ordo Malleus Cadia is heavily integrated into the military system and an Inquisitor will likely respond with a highly-trained kasrkin strike force rather than the usual mix of weirdos and nutters. I really can't think of ANY regiment of Guard that would be a better home for the Inquisition. Not just that but it'll mean something more of a separation of Cadians from any other existing list - as Neal says, we've got bucket-loads of guard lists as it is.
As I said before, making a Cadian list that doesn't require you to take Inquisitorial units but leaves you the option to gear the list if you want to in this direction means that this list can be BOTH a true cadian strike force or an Inquisitorial interior guard force depending on the desires of the player.
Finally, it allows us to expand not only on the forces of Cadia but the Ordo Malleus Cadia and provides a really clear
anti-Chaos bent to the list. This isn't just
any Cadian Shock Troop regiment fighting in the jungles of Armageddon. This is an Interior Guard force, battling Abaddon's hordes of Chaos filth with the Grey Knights spearheading the assault!
