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Marauders poll and review
No change 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Decrease points (specify below) 36%  36%  [ 9 ]
Increase to DC2 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lower save to 5+ and increase to DC2 24%  24%  [ 6 ]
Change speed to Fighter-Bomber 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Increase Bomb racks to 3BP 24%  24%  [ 6 ]
Other (specify below) 12%  12%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 25

Marauders poll and review

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:05 pm 
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Valkyries and Vultures are in scale to the flyers too.
The LandingCraft...well....it seemsit is toscale toground forces because 6 Rhnos fit well inthe clamps but never i see it be able to transport 12 units of infantry at this size..

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:12 pm 
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1 - in the rhinos
2 - in cargo holds attched to where the rhinos would be.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:00 pm 
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Like Thunderhawk Transporter transport method. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:03 am 
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Well,

It looks like we are still a bit of a way from any consensus here. I can't believe i've not been using the second tail gun.. crazy.

Also its only a single lascannon shot not 2 like someone posted..

That said, if your going to the SG model, then why not take out the lascannon and add either a multilaser or assault cannon to represent the model.

I will still go with the fully changed stats this week. That is DC 2, 6 + save and 3BP at 325pts. This will give some feedback on what the top end of the changes would mean., then we can scale down or up from the base as appropriate.


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 Post subject: Marauders poll and review
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:43 am 
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Yes, slightly awkward that :)

I rationalise it away as the famous flat packed marines :)

Back to the marauder its clear we have two camps.

1) - Go with 250 points and potentially 3BP
2) - Go with the ForgeWorld model - 2dc, 6+ save, 3BP, Lascannons 30cm, AT4+/AA4+ forward arc (the model gives you more movement than fixed forward, but this means in epic you lose 15cm of range), twin heavy bolter 15cm, AA5+ 360 degrees arc, twin heavy bolter 15cm AA5+ rear arc - points 325?

Personally I would love option 2. But I would like even more something done wham bang thank you etc. So for me when i try them it will be option 1.

As to doing both - well its an option, but if we went for that the SG bomber desrves little more than 1BP plus weapons, possible as some sort of fighter bomber so i would leave it all for the future.

perhaps before then someone will bring out a model for the SG version and the current model and FW model can become seperate from it :)

Certainly I would encourage people to use the FW stats/model in future lists.

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 Post subject: Marauders poll and review
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:01 am 
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(ortron @ Jul. 09 2007,08:03)
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It looks like we are still a bit of a way from any consensus here. I can't believe i've not been using the second tail gun.. crazy.

Also its only a single lascannon shot not 2 like someone posted..

Two shots for 250 points was what I said, ie two planes with a single shot each (if it was me you were referring to).

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:29 am 
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(The_Real_Chris @ Jul. 09 2007,08:43)
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Back to the marauder its clear we have two camps.

1) - Go with 250 points and potentially 3BP
2) - Go with the ForgeWorld model - 2dc, 6+ save, 3BP, Lascannons 30cm, AT4+/AA4+ forward arc (the model gives you more movement than fixed forward, but this means in epic you lose 15cm of range), twin heavy bolter 15cm, AA5+ 360 degrees arc, twin heavy bolter 15cm AA5+ rear arc - points 325?


Option 1.  There are published army lists that work mostly ok and don't need extensive rewrites at this stage - they need tweaks.  

Minimal changes should be made to the current stats as for all other list revisions so far. See the extensive Eldar threads where this issue has already been discussed (and Eldar needed far more work than Guard do).  There is no good justification for doing anything more than tweaking the current stats a little to balance the list.  So far I've seen a number of people playtesting just that (250 points) and it looks like the incrase to 3BP might also be necessary.

Frankly I've had enough of extensive propositions and entirely redesigned statlines in these discussions. This rules review process keeps dragging on forever because of it.  It's not needed or helpful IMHO.

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 Post subject: Marauders poll and review
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:52 am 
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Another alternative could be to go with option 1, and keep things simple to get the IG sorted.

Then create a "fan list" for Imperial navy. This would include all flyer types made, both SG and FW. Then you could use whatever model you wanted in non GT games?

But if it came down to a vote I'd go with option 2.

Tweaking any list is going to take time, is their any time line for the rules review?


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