They both have indirect fire.

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Yes you are right since those things weigh something like 150kg (well, I'm sure L4 used to carry two in his pockets)

If you are carrying it I suspect infantry understandably prefer 60mm mortars Could have a 15cm move like everyone else then to. Would fight with a 30cm/XxAP5+/Indirect profile then. Downside is your mortar models would be very fine tubing, what 1mm diameter?

I used a 120 as it was the easiest to make to scale with the infantry and this was for sieger troops who didn't expect to move much anyway!

Incidentally here is an US airborn regiment 120 in operation.

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Note the vehicle, probaby its transport, in the background.  

All modeling aside, we should consider these mortar something on the order of a 81mm or so.

Oh, and Moscovian it occurred to me why FW won't (you heard it hear first) model a man portable AA figure.

Scenario:

Joe Modeler flies his brand new $350 USD Marauder Destroyer onto the table to attack the Imperial Guard artillery position. Jerry Skinflint mentions that he is firing his brand new FW portable squad $30 USD SAM team and shoots down Joe's Marauder.

Joe's not happy. Projected 12 month sales for the Marauder suddenly vanish.

Realistically, GW does not want the "true" level of technology to rise above WWII. That way, planes can fly on the board, bomb stuff, deal with AA tanks and the models mechanism stays relatively clean. If you try to add a little more "realism" to the model, all sorts of things start to break.

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That's all part of the fun of the 40k setting IMHO, that it is so ridiculously anachronistic.

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Agree wholeheartedly, but I think that's why we see laser beams locked in with diesel engines. True modern combat tends to be extremely difficult to model well.

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I'm not sure the difficulty is in modelling it *well*, but making it *fun* to play... since true modern combat is *NOT* fun in reality.  

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For Mortars:

The Mortar used by the Imperial Guard is:
Range 48", Strength 4 , Armourpiercing 6 , Heavy 1, 3"Blast, Barrage

The Heavy Mortar used by the Griffon is:
Range 12"-48", Strength 6 , Armourpiercing 4 , Ordnance 1, 5"Blast, Barrage
and CAN'T fire direct.

The Heavy Mortar of the Death Korps is the same as the Griffons Heavy Mortar but has a selection of different shells (the Griffon Heavy Mortar too but only with IA 3 rules).

The Quad-Launcher of the Death Korps is:
Range 12"-60", Strength 5 , Armourpiercing 5 , Heavy 4, 3"Blast, Barrage with -1 on Pinning tests.

For comparison a Missile Launchers Frag-Missile is:
Range 48", Strength 4 , Armourpiercing 6 , Heavy 1, 3"Blast
And its Krak-Missile:
Range 48", Strength 8 , Armourpiercing 3 , Heavy 1

Note that in WH40k all Barrage weapons cause a Pinning test and that not all Barrage weapons have a minimum range.


BTW: I can't find a Mortar or any other Fire Support Squad entry in the Elysians list found in IA3.

EDIT: Ok found them. But they come only with the Company Command Squad and at a very low number.
IF we would finally drop the strange habit to call those Platoon sized formations Companies and call them Platoons as is proper the Fire Support units would be a part with the Command Platoon formation.
That would be:
1 Supreme Commander unit, 2 Fire Support unit each with 2 x Heavy Bolter shots, 1 Anti-Tank unit with 2 x Lascannon shota, 1 Mortar Squad with 2 x Mortar shots and 2 Special Weapons units with no shooting attack but enhanced FF (or Sniper Rifles).

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I have it! Just came to me.

60mil mortar, 30cm, AP5+, No line of fire needed.

So short ranged cheap firesupport. Or were we after something heavier and longer ranged?

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That seems reasonable at first glance.  The loss in firepower will be mitigated by the 'no line of fire' exception, and when firing indirect it would be hitting on 4+.  Two of them means you'll most likely hit something.  And it also keeps the mortars from taking out tanks.

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Then it appears your stats are in need of revision.  Perhaps an AP5+/AT6+ then?

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God no, about as man portable as an enraged lion. Just showing in the wierd and wonderful world of weapons humans have tried most things

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As cool as Wikipedia can be, I think you're just muddying the water with such links, T_R_C.

The ELysians are using "light" anti-infantry mortars, not specialized or heavy ones.

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I like this idea. It fits the concept.

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As the Mortar has a 48" range it could easily have 45cm in Epic as 48" usually translates to 45cm (see Lascannon, Autocannon and Missle Launcher for example).

Apart form that. The "No line of fire needed" should be used by a majority of current Indirect Fire weapons. Because not all Wh40k weapons double their range or have a minimum range when firing indirect.

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