I'd prefer the 8 man kasrkin squad. That way you can also get 2 SLords for an Infantry company without issue

No, it's exactly 200 points.

8 Kaskrin + a commander is 250 points. Upgrading from a commander to a supreme commander is 100 points, as seen in many other guard lists, making a total of 350 points for the infantry. That means the Leviathan costs 200 points.

It's worth a LOT more than that.



The oribital template covers 2.8 times the area of the small template, and with MW that's just devestating. It'll break/remove multiple formations twice in a game, and just the threat of it will force the opponents to spread out hugely.

There's a very good reason that orbital bombardments have to be pre-plotted.




Several parts of this list are very overpowered and underpriced.

Versus the Kasrkin HQ in Chroma's list, which this is based off of in part, its +225. Again, alone it is worth more. As part of a formation, perhaps not so much. It will be going up by 50pt in the next version to 600pt total. Please note that the stats Nealhunt just posted gave a 175pt price in an RHQ, and that's with out restrictesd fire arcs on the Lascannon.


I will be testing it again tomorrow. It will be against Orks, so there's a good vulnerable enemy. If it proves overpowered I'll likely go to Ignore Cover instead of Macro.



Playtests. Some structural points can be hammered out without testing, but for balance issues, please try to provide support where possible instead of categorical statements of opinion. I reiterate, a casual game with notes as to impressions is nearly as helpful as a full batrep.

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Then the HQ is underpriced in Chroma's list.



Orks will lose a lot, but marines will be slaughtered by it, as their great armour saves are made worthless.

The combination of the orbital template and the MW is just too much, no matter how much it costs. An orbital template is roughly equivilent to 3 normal templates, so you effectively have something nearly as good as an 8BP MW, and it can be dropped anywhere on the table. The sheer effect that'll have on the game is not balancable.

I thought a bit more about the Leviathan. As the Imperium/Mechanicum likes to use existing STC components for their equipment and that i always saw twin Lascannon sponsons obthe Leviathan as odd: How about giving the Leviathan standard super-heavy tanksponsons? That would be three Lascannons and three Twin Heavy Bolters per side.

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It's also a squat design originally, so they may have just used what fit the existing turret rings. More importantly there are already a handful of different Leviathan stats out there, and I'd like to keep as close to existing stats and existing models(?) as possible.

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There are a couple of points here. First, it's fluffy, and not dissimilar to the Steel Legion list, but with a more expensive transport. Second, the list is shaping up to be relatively high activation. My 4k list for tommorrow is 14 activations, without really trying. A scond list with Kasrkin mounted in Stormlords is still a dozen activations. Making the Leviathan required makes a good centerpiece, and helps to tone that down some.

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Why not, specifically? Is it the BTS/SC being together?

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The 40k Stormlord can carry 40 men/8 stands. 20/4 stands can use the fighting platform.

I think it's more unrealistic to have the SC locked inside the LCC as it is assaulted and destroyed than to have him get out and defend it, personally. I think this falls under the intentional limitation category, rather than a design flaw. I'll keep it in mind, however.

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The SC issue is why i the Steel Legion PDF has no fixed SC formation.
You either buy the SC as an upgrade to a Commander unit or replace the whole formation for a Leviathan (so any foot Infantry formation can use it as a transport).

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OP now has v1.1, with the following changes:

Core:
CRHQ raised to 600pt, reduced by one stand
Kasrkin Coy reduced by one stand, lowered to 225pt. Stormlord option removed.

Upgrades:
Special Weapons teams removed
Stormlord added (1-2 @ 200ea.) Sponson weapons added; see units.

Support:
No Change

Fortifications:
No Change

Allies:
No Change

Units:
Stormsword - Sponson weapons (2x Twin Heavy Flamers, 2x Lascannon) added.
Leviathan - Fixed forward added to Doomsday Cannon
WE Transport notes for Leviathan and Stormsword added.

The remaining issues are mostly less structural and more balance related. Any and all testing will be helpful.

They are:
Leviathan Costing vs. Ordinatus - the effective 75pt increase (50pt actual+25pt reduced Company size) should adress this adequately. Nominal points cost is now 275.

Colossus Balance - I'll be testing this unit extensively. If it proves overpowered, it will change from a MW attack to Ignore Cover.

Sentinels - Again, I'll be testing whether the Scout version is necessary, and reevaluate.

Required Leviathan - This is the only structural issue left unresolved. I'm inclined to leave it as is, but appreciate further input on the problem.

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How do you justify 10cm move on the Sabre Gun Platform? It has only one crew member (the gunner) and not even wheels.
I would make it a Light Vehicle with 0cm as all Weapon Platforms (like Hydra Platform, Earthshaker Platform, etc from the Death Korps list).

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