And the 114th Cadian Mechanized Infantry are featured in the Taros Campaign...

And, gents, I *am* focusing on the Defense list at the moment.  *laugh*

Anyone got decent stats for a Leviathan?

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Sure. Straight from my "Steel Legion Planetary Defence Force army list:

Imperial Guard Leviathan Command Centre (Mars Pattern)
Type Speed Armour Close Combat Firefight
War Engine 15cm 4+ 3+ 3+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Battle Cannon 75cm AP4+/AT4+ -
6 x Twin Lascannon 45cm AT4+ -
Doomsday Cannon 120cm 3BP Macro-weapon, Fixed Forward Arc

Damage Capacity 4. 2 Void Shields. Critical Hit Effect: The Leviathans tracks are destroyed. It may not move any more. Subsequent critical hits cause an extra point of damage.
Notes: Reinforced Armour, Supreme Commander, Thick Rear Armour, Transport (may carry 20 of the following units: Imperial Guard units: Supreme Commander, Commander, Infantry, Stormtroopers, Fire Support, Snipers, Conscripts, Ogryns. Ogryns take up two spaces each).

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Thats overgunned for its survivability BL.
Levaniantans now are forward C&C centres and last ditch strong points.

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WWI infantry armies, especially early war formation that fought manouver battles. Famous infantry formations WWII tasked with attack on the allied side. General theme of those battles will become apparent very quickly and you'll find sits quite well with Guardsmen

Defense list -  why would it be about a human wave attack? Defense is typically about holding ground with less stuff than the attacker and specific points of counterattack once the intial attack is repulsed. Or you want a horde defence like the siege list can do?

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Leviathan (WE)
Speed:15cm Armor:4+ CC:3+ FF:3+
Weapon/Range/Firepower
D'Day Cannon/120cm/3BP MW (FF)
Thunderfire/60cm/2xAP6+ AT5+ AA5+
3xTwin Auto Guns/30cm/AP3+ AT5+ (F/LS)
3xTwin Auto Guns/30cm/AP3+ AT5+ (F/RS)
4xStorm Bolters/(15cm)/small arms +1 FF attack each
notes: DC-6, reinforced armor, thick rear armor, fearless, transport (16) Warrior, Bezerkers, Thunderers (1xHearthguard takes 2 slots from the above troops)
Critical: D3 units being carried are hit

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In June 11 i proposed DC 6 and 4 Void Shields for the Leviathan. At last in the SL PDF the Leviathan costs 500pts (+250pts for an Infantry Company to be transported within).
But no one commented on this proposal.

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Well, no one reads everything Despite playing against dark eldar twice now and buying raiders I still haven't actually read their list

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Well there where more issues with switching Thunderbolts and Marauders for the two Lightning versions
After this work on the SL PDF stalled.  

But read for yoursefe if you're itnerested:
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....;st=105

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I don't think the Cadians really do horde infantry defense, they do horde infantry attack!

Maybe calling it a defense list is a bad idea?

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And functionally it is unlikely to be different to a Steel Legion army list.


We know that Cadia sometimes uses Mechanised and Armoured regiments, but that is what the 'Counts As' rule is there for... so that Minervans and Steel Legion can 'Counts As' a Mechanised or Armoured Cadian Regiment.


How about calling it the 'Cadian Shock Troops' army list, as that is their iconic name.

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Okay, you gents have convinced me to "combine" the lists into one, with a focus on "elite" infantry, both for attack and defence.

The army will have the option to take fortifications to represent "Interior Guard" regiments, but will also allow for infantry "Shock Troop" attacks.

Yes... someone on the Internet has been swayed by arguments on a forum!  *laugh*

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I think this is your best path.  Infantry focus and elite (for IG) infantry will make for an IG variant that hasn't really been done previously.

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Fantastic. I think this will have a much more cadian character.

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So no mechanised Cadian armies?


I used to argue for merging the two lists myself until I got some play with them. Having actually put some figures on the table (admittedly in scenario play) they are radically different to each other. The cadian strike force list is also very different to steel legion, as its much harder to build a static gunline yet is much more effective at short ranged shooting and assaults. If anything its been the defence force that has played exceedingly similarly to siegemasters, with different figures but doing the same job.

Also, for those who are complaining about a cadian feel, how is a horde of cannon fodder leg infantry a "strike force"? Cadians are all under arms and have the capability to field elite, well equipped regiments - thats what defines them. The fluff of Cadian shock troopers has them going out into the wilderness of Cadia to hunt down chaos marines. Do they do that with imperial standard running shoes to run hundreds of miles or do they do it with vehicles?

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It's not that there's "no mechanised Cadian armies", it's just that I'm going to focus on the "infantry" one for now... I too agree that both armies play quite differently... not sure how many people have actually reviewed my original proposals to see that they're not the same army, nor a duplicate of other armies; they played radically differently when we've played them here.

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