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Cadian Shock Troops v1.4

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:24 pm 
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Will be trying this out as I also think the Cadian list looks fun.
I have ordered some models that looks good but haven't received them yet so I don't really know how they will look in real life...

Besides having the same questions as Borka I would also like to know a couple of things mostly about the Sabre plattform and perhaps a rule question in the wrong thread also...

-where to buy proxies
-my plan is to have them in stormlords or the leviathan as a mobile AA plattform. Can I do that?
-can you take multiple upgrades of the same kind? (ie can I have 6 sabre plattforms in my Leviathan :) )
-Fearless; If troops is mounted in the Leviathan and they loose an assault or similar the troops will run out of the WE or be killed as normal, right?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:21 pm 
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battle report up: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27988&p=532593#p532593

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:28 pm 
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Not sure I like the absence of fortifications in this version but how do we go about if we want to develop or go for aprovement?
Looks like Spectral Ghost has left the building for quite some time, can we get a stand in (or new) army champion?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:41 pm 
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uvenlord wrote:
Looks like Spectral Ghost has left the building for quite some time, can we get a stand in (or new) army champion?

Yeah I agree last post by SG in this thread is from februari 2013, and he's not answering questions asked in the thread.

Would you be willing to take that role perhaps Uvenlord? You seem to be able to playtest a lot.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:58 pm 
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Borka wrote:
uvenlord wrote:
Looks like Spectral Ghost has left the building for quite some time, can we get a stand in (or new) army champion?

Yeah I agree last post by SG in this thread is from februari 2013, and he's not answering questions asked in the thread.

Would you be willing to take that role perhaps Uvenlord? You seem to be able to playtest a lot.
Perhaps, need to read through the back catalog first then I'll drop Spectral Ghost a message. In my experience (after 5 games...) is that this list is almost finished. Not sure whats changed compared to the list in the compendium besides dropping the fortifications and modifying the siege cannon...

So far the Leviathan seems good. Ordinatus is very good, perhaps to good? It's easy to take out though so it might be harder to pull off two shots when the enemy knows what is coming. The Colussus looks overpriced but I've only used it once. I want to add trenches again so the infantry can do something outside the WE.

Any one else actively playing this list?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:57 pm 
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But wouldn't adding trenches give them another advantage? That being static defenses and mobile defenses.

Whats the downside with this list?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:36 am 
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If SG needs to step away a bit I think it'd be a splendid idea to see someone like uvenlord take it on. He's got a good eye for lists. :)
Also I used to play the list all last year. This year, not so much. I'm with mordoten on the lack of fixed defenses.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:27 pm 
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mordoten wrote:
But wouldn't adding trenches give them another advantage? That being static defenses and mobile defenses.

Whats the downside with this list?
Just because you always loose doesn't mean every list you play is overpowered it just mean that I am better then you at this ;D
My view:
The fact that I now own a lot of fortifications might be a factor ;) but on another hand the Cadians fortifications is very expensive so they are self limiting.
The army lack mobility in their core companies compared to Steel Legion and cheap activations compared to the Barans. A Whiteshield company in trenches with sabre platforms (that I have played with) will costs 400 points, I'm sure there are better ways of spending that money.
Besides that I am quite happy with the list as it is, perhaps some point adjustments and to keep an eye on the Ordinatus...

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As a common design feature you can never buy multiples of upgrades unless it specifically say so, ie "you can add up to..... for ....point each".

As far as I am aware Sabres can fire from fighting platforms when transported.

Mounted non-fearless units are killed in a lost assault.

My two cents on fortifications. We already have two lists with fortifications and there is plenty of utility for the infantry in the list without them. Fortification can be added to any list in scenario play but for tournaments they're just a massive pain with the potential to cause havoc with balance and they're just not much fun to play against either! I would not support they're inclusion in this Cadian list.

As far as I am aware the list is balanced and ready, all that is holding things back is play testing....or at least that was the case before the meta, opinions and other lists have moved on! There is no particular rush but I appreciate it is frustrating when the list champion is absent, give me a fortnight night to see what I can do and then we'll move on from there.

I'm really pleased the list has interest, it looks great on the table!
Thanks for the reply. Basically I also think this list is ready for the push toward approval. We just need some help to coordinate things with battle reports and perhaps some tweaking.


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jimmyzimms wrote:
If SG needs to step away a bit I think it'd be a splendid idea to see someone like uvenlord take it on. He's got a good eye for lists. :)
Thanks, looks like we have a somewhat similar taste :)


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IF spectrar ghost hasn' mad ea post about the list in almost a year then maybe the ERC could grant Uvenlord the osition as AC over it. Our group will playtest the hell out of it!

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OK guys, let's give some time for the wheels to work, k? Enthusiasm is commendable but moving straight to nuclear option isn't needed. Not everyone lives on this board all day long ;D

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Back on topic until...
Anyone who uses or have used the Hellhound (or griffon) platoon? To me they look kind of poor for the points cost, but it might be me using them wrong or comparing them with the Chimera when they fill different roles...?
For 50-75 more points you get a Armored Fist platoon.


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You're not off but it's the same across other guard lists such as SL. They're usable but not just as generically so (hellhounds work well for their points in Stalingrad, not Kursk is the main takeaway :) ) I'm fine with how they are in this list as it is a faction wide issue. If we'd like to discuss that I'd suggest we start a thread on that specific topic

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jimmyzimms wrote:
You're not off but it's the same across other guard lists such as SL. They're usable but not just as generically so (hellhounds work well for their points in Stalingrad, not Kursk is the main takeaway :) ) I'm fine with how they are in this list as it is a faction wide issue. If we'd like to discuss that I'd suggest we start a thread on that specific topic
No, don't get me wrong, I wasn't complaining just wondering how to use them. (perhaps complaining about the price :) )
Didn't know other lists had these formations, isn't SL = Steel Legion?
Me not being a veteran IG player, whats a "faction wide issue"? (Guessing they are a poor choice as no one uses them)


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