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Cadian Shock Troops list idea
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:55 am 
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For Infantry Upgrades you could have Heavy Bolter or Lascannon or Mortars or something? So you can add more troops is a varied way. Granted with the stat lines in Epic a lot of tho's weapons are similar.

AT Support - 4 Lascannon Stands maybe?
Mortar Support - 4 Mortar Stands

I feel that giving them "stand off" guns would result in them being a Siegemasters clone army.
Instead, they should be forced to go on the attack.

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Special Support - 4 Melta or Flamers?

Are they actually justified at Epic scale?


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As for the Navy. I've really wanted to see stats and list with the other Marauders for awhile. Thought might be a place to try a Vigilant or Colossus or Destroyer? Eh? Kinda give the IG support feel that is lacking but doesn't over power the list and let's it stay Infantry focused.

Probably better in a list for an army known to work closely with the Navy, such as the Elysians?

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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:58 am 
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Well Special Weapon Squats whereone of the specialties of the Cadians in the previous Codex. Such a Squad equipped with 3 Meltaguns could provide a MW FF attack (no ranged shooting).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:51 am 
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Evil and Chaos wrote:
Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
For Infantry Upgrades you could have Heavy Bolter or Lascannon or Mortars or something? So you can add more troops is a varied way. Granted with the stat lines in Epic a lot of tho's weapons are similar.

AT Support - 4 Lascannon Stands maybe?
Mortar Support - 4 Mortar Stands

I feel that giving them "stand off" guns would result in them being a Siegemasters clone army.
Instead, they should be forced to go on the attack.

Good Point.

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Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
Special Support - 4 Melta or Flamers?

Are they actually justified at Epic scale?

BL points out a reasonable option. A Melta stand could produce a FF MW and a Flamer Stand a FF IC shot maybe? Give's the list more and defining Infantry units while keeping the Assault feel.

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Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
As for the Navy. I've really wanted to see stats and list with the other Marauders for awhile. Thought might be a place to try a Vigilant or Colossus or Destroyer? Eh? Kinda give the IG support feel that is lacking but doesn't over power the list and let's it stay Infantry focused.

Probably better in a list for an army known to work closely with the Navy, such as the Elysians?

Oh maybe. I thought that the EL list might be too Navy heavy since they already have Lightnings. Just figured the Bombers might work out in a Assault Infantry list since they lack Amoured support and Artillery.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:26 pm 
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The Elysian's have both lightnings and marauder destroyers, so i think they're pretty set on the aircraft front ;)

The Colossus could work well with the Cadian's however I can't really see the vigilant working that well in an epic game. Its a surveillance craft and so would fly above the battle field well beyond the range of most ground based AA. I can see it giving the ability to gain a supreme commander re-roll maybe, but i'm not sure how worthwhile it would be.
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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:36 pm 
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BL points out a reasonable option. A Melta stand could produce a FF MW and a Flamer Stand a FF IC shot maybe? Give's the list more and defining Infantry units while keeping the Assault feel.

They certainly could do that, statwise.

But would that be a desirable thing for the game?

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The Colossus could work well with the Cadian's however I can't really see the vigilant working that well in an epic game. Its a surveillance craft and so would fly above the battle field well beyond the range of most ground based AA. I can see it giving the ability to gain a supreme commander re-roll maybe, but i'm not sure how worthwhile it would be.

I agree that the Vigilant doesn't really have a place in Epic.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:37 pm 
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For Marauder Vigilant see here:
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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:41 pm 
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You can certainly stat it up, but that doesn't make it an interesting unit to have in the game... all you'd do is park it on the board edge to use its SC ability each turn.

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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:50 pm 
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Where it is still a target for enemy fighters.
Also you cold put in the notes that it has to move at least to the middle of the board to gain any significant data to use the Supreme Commander ability.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:53 pm 
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But it still doesn't really do anything other than fire one minor gun... it's not a unit for a game about tactical manoeuver, IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
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It's some points you can risk in order to gain an advantage.
The Marauder Vigilant isn't about shooting it is about surveillance.
The Land Raider Prometheus and Damocles Rhino fulfill similar roles.

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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:02 pm 
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It's some points you can risk in order to gain an advantage.

Yeah, but it's pretty much tactics-free points you're risking.
I really think that the Vigilant is best left "flying high", and not doing low level bombing runs on an Epic battlefield.

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It has to fly low level to actually find anything. Not all soldiers in Wh40k wear bright colours :D
Think about WWI air survilance not AWACS.

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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troops list idea
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:18 pm 
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It still doesn't bring anything tactical to the game, it just flies on and provides a special rule.

Then the enemy tries to shoot it down before you get your next two orders (As that's when you're going to use its SC ability). It's not a unit for a tactically complex game of Epic, and it's certainly not a unit for this army list.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:44 pm 
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From a quick glance through the IG threads Chromas Cadians haven't been worked on since Dec 2008 - I'd hardly say they were pushing to move to 'in development' more stuggling to avoid being 'dead'.

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