Isn't Epic designed fopr friendly games and scenarios first and formost?
So new untis have a place even without new Grand Tournament army lists.

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Isn't Epic designed fopr friendly games and scenarios first and formost?
So new untis have a place even without new Grand Tournament army lists.

Blood Angels having more assault formations than tactical or Dev actually goes back to the original space marine. When the chapter lists were published in White Dwarf the BA's were assault orientated, Space puppies the drop army of doom, DA had more bikes speeders etc and Smurf's the standard core.

So its just GW going full circle and using old fluff!

[Edit] IIRC back when marines were legions... Blood angels could take 1 Tac and 1 Dev for every Assault formation they took. There may have been a limit on Terminators too. I'll check tonight if I remember.

Where do BA get these extra Assault Marines from?

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The WD witht eh Stopma on the front has a picture of one of the new Russes in it.

It is at the back of the collection of marine chapters, when they are looking at Apocalypse forces.  It has a 4 barrled cannon.

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So with the new Codex i came up with the following stats (review some existing units and added new ones, list is not finished):

Vakyrie
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Multilaser 45cm AP5+/AT6+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Twin Multiple Rocket Launcher 30cm AP4+ -
Notes: Skimmer, Scout, Transport (may carry two Stormtrooper units)..


Vendetta
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Lascannon 45cm AT4+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
2 x Hellfury Missile 75cm 1BP Disrupt, One-Shot
Notes: Skimmer, Scout, Transport (may carry two Stormtrooper units)..


Leman Russ Vanquisher
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Vanquisher Cannon 75cm AT2+ Macro-weapon
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Eradicator
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Eradicator Nova Cannon 30cm AP4+ Ignore Cover
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Punisher
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Punisher Gatling Cannon 30cm 3 x AP5+ -
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Executioner
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Executioner Plasma Cannon 30cm 3 x AP4+/AT4+ Slow-Firing
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Exterminator
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Exterminator Autocannon 45cm 2 x AP5+/AT6+ -
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Banewolf
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 30cm 4+ 6+ 3+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Cemical Cannon 15cm AP2+ Ignore Cover
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -

Devildog
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 30cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Melta Cannon 15cm MW5+ -
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: The Melta Cannon can shoot and be used to confer the macro-weapon ability to the unit's firefight value.

Colossus
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 5+ 6+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Colossus Siege Mortar 15-120cm 1BP Indirect Fire
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Colossus Siege Mortar can only fire indirect..

Manticore
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 5+ 6+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Storm Eagle Rockets 60cm D3BP Indirect Fire, Disrupt, Slow-Firing
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -

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So its just GW going full circle and using old fluff!

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Why change the Rocket Pods stats from the Epic version?

Epic already has Rocket Pod stats that represent a full 15 minutes of firing.

Vendetta
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Lascannon 45cm AT4+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
2 x Hellfury Missile 75cm 1BP Disrupt, One-Shot
Notes: Skimmer, Scout, Transport (may carry two Stormtrooer units)..

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@Valkyrie: It is a Strength 4 weapon. No way i could hurt a vehicle.

@Vendetta: This is one version, theother could have 3 Twin Lascannons.

@Devildog: Well it's a Melta weapon.

@Colossus: A Bombard has Strength 8 with a 7" Blast the Colossus only Strength 6 with a 5" Blast.

@Manticore: Well sometimes i like it a bit random

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I love the Punisher, infantry reaper  

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Your stats seems plausible, though I agree the Firefight of a unit with MW Firefight is usually worse than it would be if it had no MW.
I.e. 5+ instead of 3+ for the Devildog (wow, is GW scraping the name barrel these days).

Ah right the FF-value itself. Registered this at work  
Well Multi-meklta alone (See Land Speeder)is FF5+. Multi-melta plus Heavy Bolter should be FF4+. I will edit it.

An other idea for the Leman Russ Executioner would be this:

Leman Russ Executioner
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Executioner Plasma Cannon 30cm 1BP Macro-weapon, Slow-Firing
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

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