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New IG Codex rumoursThe lemand may shoot all his w

 Post subject: New IG Codex rumoursThe lemand may shoot all his w
PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:49 am 
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Isn't Epic designed fopr friendly games and scenarios first and formost?
So new untis have a place even without new Grand Tournament army lists.




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 Post subject: New IG Codex rumoursThe lemand may shoot all his w
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:18 pm 
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Isn't Epic designed fopr friendly games and scenarios first and formost?
So new untis have a place even without new Grand Tournament army lists.


Aye, I wouldn't want to stifle creativity (even if just mimicry) and I acknowledge that some people still like the collectable model game that is 40k, with it's intrisic shameless marketing ploys, Codex creep, new uber-Mary Sue units, etc.

But creating new unit profiles and posting them up is never enough, it immediately requires a new Grant Tournament Army List to shoehorn the new unit in.

A great example are the BA/DA Codex- on the Epic scale, they are Codex Chapters, there are no, literally no, grand organisational changes, or radical tactics. They fight and organise just like every other Codex Chapter. Paint your Epic Marines red, paint an Assault unit with Chaplain black- voila. The Marine list is flexible enough (competitive power aside) to represent these Chapters with a little self-restraint.

But GW was onto a cash-cow with 40k Marines, and so churned out various colours. They needed to justify this with background.
So, yes, BA and DA have a rich cultural background, named characters, history, and a few token novelty units to justify the hype and the release spurging Marines multiple times.

With the re-release of BA in 4th/5th Ed 40k, they needed to differentiate BA as the obvious (that they're Red Marines) was starting to show through the cracks. So out come more novelty units, and for some bizarre reason a spamming of Assault Marines.

Where do BA get these extra Assault Marines from?

I'm saying this because I don't want to see Epic as a shrunk mirror of 5th Ed 40k, with all it's imbalance, marketing tools and hype. There's no need for several colours of Marines unless it truly brings a different style to the table (and not just a novelty unit). There's no need to produce a new Army List everytime GW releases their latest 40k collectible game model of doom ™.

Epic is so much more, it shows the 40k background and theatre's of war far more accurately than 40k ever could, not just because 40k is GW marketing cash-cow, but also because 40k by definition is fought on a football field with Napoleon-era rules. When you just try to magnify an 40k Codex up to Epic size, you miss the stuff that is never seen in 40k or the 'more realistic' organisation (like BA Assault spam meaning nil in Epic) and formations never seen in 40k (ever find it silly an IG Basilisk sits 100m from the enemy every 40k game?).

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:28 pm 
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Blood Angels having more assault formations than tactical or Dev actually goes back to the original space marine. When the chapter lists were published in White Dwarf the BA's were assault orientated, Space puppies the drop army of doom, DA had more bikes speeders etc and Smurf's the standard core.

So its just GW going full circle and using old fluff!

[Edit] IIRC back when marines were legions... Blood angels could take 1 Tac and 1 Dev for every Assault formation they took. There may have been a limit on Terminators too. I'll check tonight if I remember.





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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:41 am 
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Where do BA get these extra Assault Marines from?

From the 8th Company.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:44 pm 
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The WD witht eh Stopma on the front has a picture of one of the new Russes in it.

It is at the back of the collection of marine chapters, when they are looking at Apocalypse forces.  It has a 4 barrled cannon.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:25 pm 
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So with the new Codex i came up with the following stats (review some existing units and added new ones, list is not finished):

Vakyrie
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Multilaser 45cm AP5+/AT6+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Twin Multiple Rocket Launcher 30cm AP4+ -
Notes: Skimmer, Scout, Transport (may carry two Stormtrooper units)..


Vendetta
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Lascannon 45cm AT4+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
2 x Hellfury Missile 75cm 1BP Disrupt, One-Shot
Notes: Skimmer, Scout, Transport (may carry two Stormtrooper units)..


Leman Russ Vanquisher
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Vanquisher Cannon 75cm AT2+ Macro-weapon
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Eradicator
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Eradicator Nova Cannon 30cm AP4+ Ignore Cover
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Punisher
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Punisher Gatling Cannon 30cm 3 x AP5+ -
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Executioner
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Executioner Plasma Cannon 30cm 3 x AP4+/AT4+ Slow-Firing
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Leman Russ Exterminator
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Exterminator Autocannon 45cm 2 x AP5+/AT6+ -
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.

Banewolf
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 30cm 4+ 6+ 3+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Cemical Cannon 15cm AP2+ Ignore Cover
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -

Devildog
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 30cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Melta Cannon 15cm MW5+ -
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: The Melta Cannon can shoot and be used to confer the macro-weapon ability to the unit's firefight value.

Colossus
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 5+ 6+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Colossus Siege Mortar 15-120cm 1BP Indirect Fire
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Colossus Siege Mortar can only fire indirect..

Manticore
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 5+ 6+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Storm Eagle Rockets 60cm D3BP Indirect Fire, Disrupt, Slow-Firing
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -




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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:29 pm 
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So its just GW going full circle and using old fluff!


Which has been a very intentional policy within the GW studio for the last year or so.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:37 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 05 May 2009, 21:25 )

Vakyrie
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Multilaser 45cm AP5+/AT6+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Twin Multiple Rocket Launcher 30cm AP4+ -
Notes: Skimmer, Scout, Transport (may carry two Stormtrooer units)..

Why change the Rocket Pods stats from the Epic version?

Epic already has Rocket Pod stats that represent a full 15 minutes of firing.

Vendetta
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Lascannon 45cm AT4+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
2 x Hellfury Missile 75cm 1BP Disrupt, One-Shot
Notes: Skimmer, Scout, Transport (may carry two Stormtrooer units)..


I was under the impression that the Vendetta was the Valkyrie with three twin linked lascannons.


Devildog
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 30cm 4+ 6+ 3+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Melta Cannon 15cm MW5+ -
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: The Melta Cannon can shoot and be used to confer the macro-weapon ability to the unit's firefight value.


MW 3+ Firefight? Really?



Colossus
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 5+ 6+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Colossus Siege Mortar 15-120cm 1BP Indirect Fire
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Colossus Siege Mortar can only fire indirect..

I'm under the impression that the Colossus has identical stats to a Bombard, excepting that it's based on a Chimera hull instead of a Leman Russ Hull...

...meaning that the Epic: Armageddon Bombard model is actually a Colossus!  :))





Manticore
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 5+ 6+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Storm Eagle Rockets 60cm D3BP Indirect Fire, Disrupt, Slow-Firing
Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -

The less D3's the better, this is Epic, not kiddie hammer 40,000. :)

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 Post subject: New IG Codex rumoursThe lemand may shoot all his w
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:41 am 
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@Valkyrie: It is a Strength 4 weapon. No way i could hurt a vehicle.

@Vendetta: This is one version, theother could have 3 Twin Lascannons.

@Devildog: Well it's a Melta weapon.

@Colossus: A Bombard has Strength 8 with a 7" Blast the Colossus only Strength 6 with a 5" Blast.

@Manticore: Well sometimes i like it a bit random :D

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:48 am 
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I love the Punisher, infantry reaper  :agree:

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:19 am 
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You and I play very different games of Epic,  :vD

Your stats seems plausible, though I agree the Firefight of a unit with MW Firefight is usually worse than it would be if it had no MW.
I.e. 5+ instead of 3+ for the Devildog (wow, is GW scraping the name barrel these days).


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:35 pm 
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Ah right the FF-value itself. Registered this at work  :laugh:
Well Multi-meklta alone (See Land Speeder)is FF5+. Multi-melta plus Heavy Bolter should be FF4+. I will edit it.

An other idea for the Leman Russ Executioner would be this:

Leman Russ Executioner
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 20cm 4+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Executioner Plasma Cannon 30cm 1BP Macro-weapon, Slow-Firing
Lascannon 45cm AT5+ -
2 x Heavy Bolter 30cm AP5+ -
Notes: Reinforced Armour.




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