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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:27 pm 
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I don't know, really. I seem to recall there being some type of fixed AA gun that the Elysians dropped in some of the fluff, but since I am going off memory of post made awhile ago, it might be just a misunderstanding.

I'm not trying to invent anything, just offering up the potential of such a unit if it existed.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:47 pm 
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A fixed AA devise would be a Hyperios Platform. But in IA 8 the Elysians have only Tarantulas.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:08 pm 
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Well, I don't think a man-portable 40k version of a stinger is inventing much. A tarantula would weigh down the fm with slow movement, yes?
Just add the 1xAA6+ (or 7+, for that matter) to the CO's statline.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:26 pm 
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Usually Hyperios Platforms are deployed as a formation of its own: 4 Hyperios Platforms together with one Damocles Platform which tracks incoming aircrafts.

As Elysians already use Tarantulas (currently notin the Epic list) it i snot THAT far a stretch to give them access to Hyperios Platforms too even if they aren't featured in IA 8 and usually are a Space Marine device.

Btw In IA 3 Tarantulas are transportable by Valkyries (one Tarantula per Valkyrie) and if they aren't they are able to Deep Strike both in IA 3 and IA 8 .

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:21 pm 
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Well, there goes that idea, since the Tarantula only exists in two lists that I am aware of and their stat lines don't include AA weapons at all.
Type Speed Armor Close combat Firefight
Infantry 10cm 6+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Tarantula 45cm AP6+/AT4+
Notes: Mounted.

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Ah, a third list (the Dvergatel) have them with these stats... Tarantula INF 10cm 6+ 6+ 5+ Tarantula 45cm AP5+/AT5+ Mounted. But even here nobody has them with AA weaponry.

Are you sure Tarantulas are supposed to be equipped with AA?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:28 pm 
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They do have the ability to be deployed in an "interceptor" role, for Planetstrike games in 40k. Interceptor isn't quite the same as AA, but fills a vaguely similar role in the strange 40k->Epic conversion muddle.


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Wiki page says nothing about AA capabilities either. I bet one of the people crazy enough to drop the cash for the IA books (enter Honda) will be able to cite something soon if it does have AA.

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Where does this stats come from? IMHO the most accurate stats can be found in the Imperial Fists army list.

b]Tarantula Sentry Gun[/b]
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Light Vehicle Immobile 6+ 6+ 6+(5+)
Weapon Range Firepower Notes

Twin Heavy Bolter 30cm AP4+ Gives FF5+
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Twin Lascannon 45cm AT4+ -

Notes: A Tarantula Sentry Gun may be armed with only one of the weapons listed.

Tarantulas are either armed with a Twin Heavy Bolter ot a Twin Lascannon (or a Multi-melta according to IA 1).
They have no AA capability.

Hyperios Platfroms use the Tarantula platform but mount a Hyperios Launcher which could be the same as a Hunter.

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Adding another OR AA5+ to the above wouldn't seem tricky to me. I think there's good reason to avoid it in the IF list (and the Apocrypha), but this isn't either of those.

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I think it would be pretty cool to have the Hyperios Launchers in a formation of three. Keep them as immobile and their only method of deployment would be a basic board edge set up or teleporting. As small formations, they could act as umbrellas for the Elysian forces on the ground, with their limiter being their lack of movement. Doing that would eliminate the need for a special rule to allow automatic CAPs. It would also add a new model to the list which is always running a little skimpy on variety (no offense meant to Honda or the Elysians).

Meh, I don't think Honda is going to go for it. But I do like the idea.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:04 pm 
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Rug wrote:
I think Sabre Platforms would be more likely than Hyperios Platfroms; I'd have thought they're capable of being airdropped or put in the back of a Valk too. Epic models available for them too.


The Saber/re seems like the most logical option if you wanted to add AA support. I'm not sure if it's completely fluffy, but with a little suspension of disbelief (in a world filled with aliens and technology that is more mystical than sensical) I think it would work.


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So a 40k version of a stinger is a no-go? "inventing" an AA unit just for epic isn't unprecedented by any means... *cough* obliterators *cough* hunters *cough* *cough*
Why is a gigantic platform more logical than a shoulder fired missile for an airborne force?
Because a man-portable SAM is so logical I think I would need a specific reference to fluff that it doesn't exist because it is heresy or some such to justify not having it :P

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