Exactly my thinking. Plus they still get deathstrikes. Removing shadowswords reduces Krieg’s board control too

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So my painted 3k army literally has 3 individual Warhounds and 2-3 Shadowswords......
So that would be a problem in my book

To be fair Mard, so does my painted army (see list in previous post). I still think they're too strong. Personally, the most important change would be allowing warhounds in packs only. That way people can still use the models but then have some proper list building decisions to make.

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why not group both? pack warhounds only, shadowsword companies only

that way the list gets a small nerf and nobody's collection gets made obsolete

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Sounds like a very reasonable comprimise.

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I like it

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Yes, a very good idea indeed.

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Yeah, seems like a good compromise.


Not related to this discussion and i am not going to change my answer because of that or insist on removing them, but i got curious ... is it that much a problem? After all, besides the artillery and the Gorgons, the rest of the units in this list are used for Steel Legion or Minerva as they come so they are no wasted (and some would use those others too as SL artillery and Baneblades). This is no Marines so a little different pattern on the painting won't pose any problem or make the army look bad, much less with the Warhounds that go on their own on regard to that.

Or it is just that it is common to paint only 3000 points for tournaments? If it is that i could understand it, then removing them would be a real pain.

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Personally, I change lists I use at tournies pretty much every time (either due to wanting to try something different or the list itself gets altered).

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a couple warhounds and singleton Shadowswords really doesnt feel very DKoK to me, it might be wrecking the tourney scene but im looking for a more infantry heavy list, something more fluff oriented that gives a player the idea of DKOK. not meant to offend anyone.

While i understand from where your reasoning comes i don't think thats going to be possible, as this list is more about Gorgons Deathstars, a Guard encyclopedia and the hardest to break artillery and AA in the game than about Krieg, but complete Krieg itself would also need the units to have a semi-Fearless so not possible either. To chenge into Krieg would need too many changes to be viable.

On the other side I do not think that a heavy infantry list with NetEA Krieg is not viable: I have played against such list and is hard to move, almost on the level of Ferals in terms of going to points. If not, well, you can always try Baran or even Steel Legion, but the first after the huge nerf on the AA is a lot worse, not that it was much powerful to begin with.

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another possible suggestion would be to remove transports from some of the support formations and force them to use emplacements, it would make them static and also remove the hugely annoying ablative centaur screen which makes DKOK arty and AA more difficult to break than SL

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singleton warhounds could be 0-1
no limit on pairs
this makes you pair them up if you have more than one

One is still bonkers good.

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Yeah, singeltons should not be in the list.

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