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The Death Korps Russ Sponson Conundrum
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The Death Korps Russ Sponson Conundrum

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:06 pm 
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Sponsons are iconic for Lemans. Keep 'em.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:21 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ Nov. 08 2009, 12:01 )

With 80% of the 20 hands raised so far leaning towards keeping the sponsons, I think we can see which way the wind is blowing. :)

Well "the die is cast", so to speak ... :cool:  I guess an option is to have the sponsons separate to please everybody.  But IIRC, there is a cost factor too ... Separate sponsons would be more expensive to produce, yes ? :rock:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:27 pm 
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More expensive to produce and buy, yes, but such has already been done. Plus none of the FW ones have sponsons either.

Generally Leman Russ iconic with sponsons yes, Death Korps of Krieg Russes for those familiar with the awesome Vraks books (and if you're not then you really should check them out - best thing GW has ever produced by far) then iconic without sponsons.


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It was a mistake to have the destroyer and thunderer at 20cm move, they should have been 25cm. Both are more likely to accompany infantry rather than tanks and the former is traditionally a defensive shoot and scoot weapon, the latter an assault gun. Both lend themselves to faster tactical moves.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:12 am 
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am i the only one who finds it odd that everyone points to the imperial armor books as though they are gospel (tau), and now you want to cherry pick what is or is not "historically accurate" from these books?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:30 am 
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am i the only one who finds it odd that everyone points to the imperial armor books as though they are gospel (tau), and now you want to cherry pick what is or is not "historically accurate" from these books?

No, I do too. I like the IA for the pics and details but I wouldn't quote them as "Historical documents"

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:11 am 
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Quote: (Angel_of_Caliban @ Nov. 09 2009, 01:30 )

Quote: (mnb @ Nov. 08 2009, 17:12 )

am i the only one who finds it odd that everyone points to the imperial armor books as though they are gospel (tau), and now you want to cherry pick what is or is not "historically accurate" from these books?

No, I do too. I like the IA for the pics and details but I wouldn't quote them as "Historical documents"

I agree.  I see them as "inspiration" not "gospel"... they *are* created mainly to sell more models... I mean, really, how many more Leman Russ variants are needed?  *LAUGH*

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:24 am 
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Quote: (mnb @ Nov. 09 2009, 01:12 )

am i the only one who finds it odd that everyone points to the imperial armor books as though they are gospel (tau), and now you want to cherry pick what is or is not "historically accurate" from these books?

The text in the IA books is often very useful, as it tends to be the only place where the practicalities of war in the Warhammer 40,000 setting are discussed, instead of just talking about what happens at the sharp end like GW's texts.

So they are more useful than Codexes and the like, often, due to the greater depth of background... but drawing conclusions from pictures without any definitive statements in the text itself is simply guesswork.

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The text in the IA books is often very useful, as it tends to be the only place where the practicalities of war in the Warhammer 40,000 setting are discussed, instead of just talking about what happens at the sharp end like GW's texts.

So they are more useful than Codexes and the like, often, due to the greater depth of background... but drawing conclusions from pictures without any definitive statements in the text itself is simply guesswork.


I am in full agreement with E&C. In order to build a list that remains consistent, it's important to understand the context or framework of the units you are trying to simulate, i.e. the fluff. That's how we know tht Leman's don't get jump packs to zoom over inconvenient terrain or fire their battle cannon once and vaporize a Warlord titan.

From that point, you then have the foundation you need to build the individual units. Designing a Krieg list without using the associated reference material is a misguided adventure at best.

Now does the material make this exercise cut and dried? Not always, but it does provide extremely helpful guidance if used properly. Unfortunately, even the IA books don't spell out all the details, but in general, they are very good at providing operational snapshots that allow a designer to at least point to some reference material as a basis for a particular decision...which is a much more reasonable approach than, "I was looking at the clouds this afternoon and one of them looked like a budgie".

Also, by using a generally accessible text for the background material, it allows the rest of the community to understand where decisions/fluff/etc. comes from and work with the list designer from a common point of view.

My two yen.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:59 pm 
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Codexes


Actually the plural of codex is codices.  

Sorry, my OCD is kicking in. :cool:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:20 pm 
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I think the poll is pretty conclusive; although a significant minority would like to see sponsonless leman russes, I think such a variant unit style would be best saved for a Death Korps Tank Regiment army list.

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