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Death Korps of Krieg 1.9

 Post subject: Death Korps of Krieg 1.9
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:22 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Jun. 25 2007,09:40)
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They're not twin-linked, they're specifically 2x cannons in the 40k rules, which leads to an interesting unit in Epic too.

The exact verbiage from IA5 is

"Battle Cannon: The two battle cannons are treated as a separate barrage...

Targeting: Instead of picking one target, pick a target for each of the Macharius' weapons. Both the battle cannons must fire at the same target."


So while they're not explicitly twin-linked, the effect sounds the same to me. The first passage implies they fire simultaneously; the second is very twin-linky.

And while I would prefer the interpretation of separate cannon, the source material doesn't really seem to support it.

The source material does support it.

A twin-linked cannon is one where you can re-roll the scatter dice when you fire it.

This weapon specifically has two seperate impacts.

The Macharius Vanquisher variant is twin-linked in 40K when firing non-barrage munitions. The two blasts thing seems to be just a 40K rules mechanic. There isn't actually a 'twin-linked' rule in Epic at all. Just twin weapons, ie. multiple weapons that are used to engage a single target.

I'm very interested in the Death Korps list, as I like siege IG but the Baran Siegemasters mass static infantry list didn't match my playstyle (SG release just a couple of new armies for epic, and then choose an army that combines all the aspects that make foot IG a boring army in 40K.. way to go:)). What are the points that should be concentrated on in playtesting?

Has the 4 SHT tank issue been solved yet BTW? Discussion on it seems to have died down. With the Macharius and the Gorgon, there are now effectively 6 super heavy tanks in the list.


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 Post subject: Death Korps of Krieg 1.9
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:13 pm 
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hey E&C only had a glance over really but just like to say really love your kreig list.


Glad you like it Alansa. :)


wouldn't it be great if forgeworld published it? even if it where a free pdf from their website?

I vaguely know a couple of the FW guys, enough to know that it's unlikely, sorry. :) hehe.

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 Post subject: Death Korps of Krieg 1.9
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:28 pm 
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The Macharius Vanquisher variant is twin-linked in 40K when firing non-barrage munitions. The two blasts thing seems to be just a 40K rules mechanic. There isn't actually a 'twin-linked' rule in Epic at all. Just twin weapons, ie. multiple weapons that are used to engage a single target.

Aye, its rules have actually been revised on the website a few days ago (The rules given there are different from the IA:5 ones).

Now, a Macharius Vanquisher has two shots when firing explosive shells, or one twin-linked shot when firing an anti-tank shell.

In order to avoid gooney rules situations, (1+ to-hit heh), I'll be keeping it as 2x Vanquisher shots. Not every mechanic should be carried over exactly, especially when the 'twin-linked' rule in 40k doesn't really make all that much sense.

Suffice to say that Epic list design is a little less constrained by the basic game system than 40k.



I'm very interested in the Death Korps list, as I like siege IG but the Baran Siegemasters mass static infantry list didn't match my playstyle (SG release just a couple of new armies for epic, and then choose an army that combines all the aspects that make foot IG a boring army in 40K.. way to go:)). What are the points that should be concentrated on in playtesting?


Right now, feel free to playtest anything you like. :)

I've been heavily playtesting:

- Infantry Companies
- Rough Rider Companies
- 6 tank detachments
- static heavy platforms
- Thudd guns
- Stormsword SHT's
- Gorgons
- Macharius Heavy Tanks


Has the 4 SHT tank issue been solved yet BTW? Discussion on it seems to have died down. With the Macharius and the Gorgon, there are now effectively 6 super heavy tanks in the list.

It has not gone away, and feel free to re-open the debate if you'd like to convince me otherwise.

I've stated my opinions a few times, the notable aspects of which are:

- The Steel Legion doesn't have all 4 SHT's purely because of SG's lack of funds to put all of the old SHT's back into production (One of which would actually need remodeling before re-release).

- The Steel Legion didn't include the FW models in the basic list because of inter-departmental financial conflicts (Not a single FW-only model has official stats, not even the Titans).

- Adding the extra two SHT's does not unbalance the list at all.

- They're cool.


As to the Gorgon, it's a transport (And a death-trap too), while the Macharius is a Heavy Tank, and at only 2DC they become surpressed & die quite quickly.


Plus, I'll be removing the Destroyer soon, so Hena will be happy. :D

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 Post subject: Death Korps of Krieg 1.9
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:50 pm 
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I've updated the army list for playtesters.

The main document is in a state of flux right now, so I won't be updating it yet.

Latest armylist update:
Version 1.91



Version 1.91

- Provisional Baneblade stats adopted.
- Hydra battery goes from 150 to 100pts.
- Heavy AA gun goes from 200 to 150pts.
- Extra Infantry given the option to take a Gorgon.
- Centaur upgrade for Light Support Batteries goes from 50 to 25pts.
- Gorgon changed from 75 to 50pts.
- Gorgon changed from 15cm move to 20cm move.
- Gorgon critical hit table made less-harsh.
- Changed Medusa main gun to be closer to the background (More useful in a bunker-busting role than as a bombardment gun).
- Removed the Leman Russ Destroyer.
- Restricted access to the rare Leman Russ variants.
- Trenchworks added.
- Stormsword main gun loses MW status, but gains Disrupt.
- Mossino Campaign pages added to main document.
- May not fire when moved removed from AA guns.
- Added Reference Sheet
- Centaur changed to LV status.
- Proposed Marauder Bomber stats adopted (In reference sheet, not yet in main document).





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Any thoughts of adding the Annihilator, Exterminator and Executioner Russ variants to the list and removing the Destroyer and Thunderer?

I'm going by what's available model-wise for Death Korps in 40k.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:35 pm 
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Destroyer was already removed.

However, the Thunderer is staying, that and the Demolisher are the only tanks that you can buy with no unusual limits for the Death Korps in 40k.

As to adding extra Russ Variants (in some cases, re-adding)... possibly.

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(Evil and Chaos @ Jul. 24 2007,09:35)
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Destroyer was already removed.


Whoops...  :p


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As to adding extra Russ Variants (in some cases, re-adding)... possibly.


Was the Executioner once part of the list?  I think I vaguely remember it on there, might be getting confused with the AC list.  I don't remember the Annihilator or Exterminator though.  The AC Exterminator is sport on I think.  I think the Annihilator would just be a swap of the turret weapons to a Twin Lascannon AT4+.

Was the general consensus to leave the sponson upgrades off both lists?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:11 pm 
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Was the Executioner once part of the list?


Originally, both lists were one and the same... so this list also had the Conqueror & Executioner.


The Exterminator & the Annihilator are the two variants I would consider adding.


Was the general consensus to leave the sponson upgrades off both lists?

If I go the route of modular sponsons, it will be with the Armoured Regiment list first (And probably it will remain there).

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If I go the route of modular sponsons, it will be with the Armoured Regiment list first (And probably it will remain there).

I'd go for that.  If you gave it to Krieg there would be arguments to add it to the other guard lists.  With the AC though I don't think you could make the same case.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:58 pm 
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Armored Regiment List is fine imho. Do not agin tweak around with that sponson theme. It will throw the whole list back for sure. I vote for Forget the sponson theme because of senselessness

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