Just to inform you: The Linebraker Formation appears in the latest Codex Space Marines. 3 Vindicators can combine their shots for a biiig template. Look like BPs to me
Just a thought.
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| Author: | Blip [ Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Vindicator firefight? |
Can I just double check - am I right that vindicators don't have Ignore Cover on their fire fight? (Doesn't this seem wrong? ) |
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| Author: | kyussinchains [ Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
They don't have ignore cover on their FF value..... I believe it was on the table as a potential way to make them a little more attractive but tbh they don't need it, even if it seems weird.... |
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| Author: | Blip [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
Yeah, that's what I thought. Any great tactics for using them successfully ? They just seem a bit outclassed by the other options. Anyway, Thanks for the reply. |
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| Author: | Kyrt [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
If you look at the official lists, you have to get to the warlock titan (swordwind) before you find a unit with ignore cover in FF. The hellhound, skorcha and sappers all only have it on their shooting attacks. I have a feeling it didn't occur to anyone until later... |
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| Author: | ortron [ Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
Yeah agreed, its wasn't something that was considered in the first phase lists. Does it make sense and give the vindicator a distinct role in SM lists - sure does. Does it need it, many think so, but others disagree. Our group trialed it with IC on FF a bit last year, didn't seem to break the game and was something of a compromise from the MW many were interested in. My preference is yes but its up to the ACs. |
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
From a unit design guideline if the sole weapon it is equipped with has IC, the FF value probably should as well. There's not a huge pressing need to push on these (like less than tertiary priority) but vindis are not as common as one would hope. However being fielded in formations of 6 has more ummmp than playing around with stats gives so I've been more content to use the IF batreps as a proving ground for updating the Codex list for a more targeted trial/inclusion. Orton, long time no see, mate! |
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| Author: | Blip [ Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
My question came about as I was looking at lists for the Exeter tournament where the boards include fortifications in deployment zones - exactly where the vindicator should come into its own. (Admittedly I'm looking at epic UK list but I believe there's not a huge difference on this.) Compared to a unit of predator destructors it's a no brainer - cheaper, faster, longer range, similar odds on hits (even if target is in cover) chance of massively more hits (especially on sustain) and ironically can be upgraded to a 6 strong unit with extra vindicators! :-) Plus I have 6 models I want to use ! :-) Good job I'm getting some extra units together to try out some imperial fists soon ! :-) Kyuss - get an EUK version out quick ! ;-) |
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
I'd be shocked if Kyuss' list would bit be accepted in a tourney. |
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
Why? I'd have no problem adopting it, or something similar, for EpicUK. For NetEA when it's approved I can't see why netEA tournaments wouldn't accept it |
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
Typo. Would NOT be. Danger of wrangling kids while typing on a mobile |
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| Author: | Blip [ Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
Can you find me some HEAT ammo for my vindis at the same time Steve ? ;-) |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
Just to inform you: The Linebraker Formation appears in the latest Codex Space Marines. 3 Vindicators can combine their shots for a biiig template. Look like BPs to me Just a thought.
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| Author: | jimmyzimms [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vindicator firefight? |
could make for a fun thing in a scenario [squirrels away for future reference] |
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