I tried to respond with quotes but the quote-within-a-different-coloured-quote thing gave me a headache
I wasn't disparaging your approach as an AC, I like the direction and theme of the list.... but on
this specific issue (the plane) from my point of view it seems you at least appear to be ignoring the majority opinion and forging ahead with an approach which opens the door to power creep in the air game
I've already explained why a twin lascannon on a figher plane shouldn't have AA4+ and stats for the same weapon can be different in different applications, see the old DA thread for that, nobody has given any kind of reason why the argument is wrong and the only argument is 'I want to do it this way' which is just not good enough for me.... I and several others have suggested perfectly reasonable stats for the plane which have all been completely ignored and you've repeatedly refused to compromise or listen to alternative views hence my comment.... it was not intended as a personal dig, we all get involved with lists we're developing and testing, I just wanted to point out that there are other approaches
as you said yourself, the avenger cannon stats aren't even finalised, this is a perfect opportunity to test them out in a different form and let the darwinian approach rule.... also from the other thread, it seems that the 40k stats differ between the aircraft anyway so matching them is not neccessary....
your snarky comment on Dobbsy's playtest is noted, however one data point does not a graph make....
I am planning a playtest of this list next week, I plan on taking 3 formations of nephilims, it may go terribly, but I'll try it again a few times and would be happy to be proven wrong
The planes as they are currently in this list give the opportunity to try the ork flying circus tactics out, not only are the planes more resilient than Tbolts, they also reliably activate and come in threes,
perfect for attacking in waves, and the nephilim has more than twice the firepower per plane of an ork fighta bomber to boot, I'd even be tempted to try it with the plane in pairs
I suggest the following weapon stats: it requires one
very easily rationalised compromise on the AA value of the lascannon, supported by the majority of the community, then you have a decent plane which can intercept acceptably and ground attack well, it's not breaking any of the unofficial community rules, nor is it using any experimental/developmental weapon stats and it's still well worth including
twin lascannon 30cm AT4+/AA5+FxF
heavy bolter 15cm AP5+/AA5+ FxF
Blacksword missiles AT4+ FxF
225 for two
forget the avenger bolter, having planes flying around with half a titan weapon is just not ever going to be agreed on by consent unless you drop a shot or the firepower....