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Author:  Dobbsy [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:05 am ]
Post subject:  Space Wolves Scouts cost
What do people think of them price-wise?

At the moment they get Teleport on top of basic scout stats for 75 points above the 150 points for Codex Scouts.

So the question is, are they overpriced?
Author:  Matt-Shadowlord [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
I've not seen them used as yet. If you're looking for an external unit to balance cost against, Tau Stealth Suits are also scouts with teleport, and cost 225pts for a unit of 6.

4x Wolf Scouts ARM5+ CC4+ FF5+ scout inf teleport
30cm AP5 Heavy Bolter

6x Tau Stealth ARM 5+ CC6+ FF4+ scout, markerlights, reinforced, teleport, tjpacks, first strike
15cm AP4 Disrupt

Those stats make the stealths look like a better deal than the wolf scouts, although of course they are also only 2+ activations (usually collecting a BM on arrival for 3+) and in a Strategy 3 army. When it comes to actual utility, all I hear of Stealths is that they teleport in, get a BM, and get assaulted off the table :D

Having not played them, the only thing this comparison seems to indicate is that the Wolf Scout price probably shouldn't be any higher, and 200 to 225 is probably fair.
Author:  GlynG [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
225 does seem expensive for what they are, I'd say try them at 200.
Author:  Steve54 [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
I'd drop teleport
Author:  Ulrik [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
Matt-Shadowlord wrote:
Those stats make the stealths look like a better deal than the wolf scouts, although of course they are also only 2+ activations (usually collecting a BM on arrival for 3+) and in a Strategy 3 army.


ATSKNF?
Author:  Alf O'Mega [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
This!
Author:  Dobbsy [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
Steve54 wrote:
I'd drop teleport

From my experience the Scouts bring a different flavour to the list as you can use them in a more forward role than the Codex Scouts.

What do people feel Teleport to be worth points-wise, generally? Obviously it's contextual in each army but a ball-park figure should be achievable. i.e.The Space Wolves Terminators don't have Teleport and they are priced at 325points (down 25 from Codex).
Author:  GlynG [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
Steve54 wrote:
I'd drop teleport

It's fitting with their background and 40k rules. Wolf Scouts are veteran hunters (not new recruits like other chapters) that attack enemy supply lines and appear out of nowhere amongst the enemy. In 40k they can move on from their opponent's table edge on the roll of a 3+.

It's worth mentioning that Wolf Scouts don't get transports of any kind, so they're slow once appeared and easier to break than normal SM Scouts.
Author:  Parintachin [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
What is their role?

As I understand it, vanilla scouts are mostly used as a screening formation, or a cheap rear guard. They can still do this, but at a premium.

Are they supposed to teleport in to take objectives last turn? Are they supposed to port in turn two to take on artillery or other (very) light formations? Are they intended to teleport in to divert fire from other formations?
Author:  LordotMilk [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
How about CC 3+ and FF 4+?

They are vétérans after all.

Edit. I agree with E&C. That's why I would rather see them upgraded statwise, than pricewise.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
As teleporting scouts I wouldn't look to reduce their price, that's a very powerful ability, considering what they could do to enemy artillery formations, enemy titans etc merely by teleporting nearby (not even attacking).
Author:  mordoten [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Wolves Scouts cost
Yes, teleporting scouts are a pretty good combo!
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