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Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
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Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
A leaked GW release list for the next few major releases has popped up on the net:

http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/view ... 25#p453325

It looks to be pretty likely to be genuine.

What's interesting is that the Space Marines seem to be getting a complementary aircraft to partner the Stormtalon Gunship - the Gale Claw Fighter.

This would presumably*** be an anti-aircraft fighter craft, to partner with the Stormtalon anti-ground Gunship.

If that turns out to be true, it's probably worth looking again at the Stormtalon's stats, no?
My personal thought is that the Epic Stormtalon could use one of the alternate weapon systems available to it in 40k (the Typhoon Launcher instead of the Twin Heavy Bolters), making it more effective at ground attack.


That'd mean that we'd have the Gale Claw as the Thunderbolt Fighter equivalent, and the Stormtalon as the Marauder Bomber equivalent.

The new 40k edition is now out, so Space Marines will get a new codex pretty sharpish, within the next 3-4 months I'd guess, and then we'll know what the Gale Claw looks like statwise, if the stats don't leak before then.

***My speculation.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
Space Marine Storm Talon Gunship
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Aircraft Fighter 5+ n/a n/a
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Assault Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT4+/AA4+ Forward Arc
Typhoon Missiles 45cm AP3+/AT5+ Fixed Forward Arc


That'd make it an okay ground attacker, whilst degrading its AA performance from average to notably below average.

Squadron of 2 for 150pts?
Author:  Dobbsy [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
Highly interesting. :) Let's see what pans out before several hundred pages of discussion shall we? :D
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
Indeed. Just flagging it up before playtesting of the Stormtalon goes a long way down the Interceptor replacement route...
Author:  MikeT [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
I'd go for at least 175 points. It's got roughly similar ground attack as a thunderbolt, but (presumably) 1+ I initiative makes it a lot more reliable, and 5+ armour 45cm range makes it a lot more survivable. Worse AA is again balanced out by 1+ init and 5+ armour.
Author:  GlynG [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
I read that discussion and list too, but informed opinion seems to split as to whether it's genuine or a complex fake (partially is a possibility too). I'm inclined to guess it's more likely genuine that not, but am maintaining a healthy dose of scepticism about it.

We're rumoured to get a Dark Angels and CSM codexes sooner but I thought the next Space Marine codex wasn't coming out till a year or more this time round? There are a lot of SM models in the list, which would make sense to release with a codex, but the list is labelled at starting to be released in June 2013 (and it is speculated to consist of two to two and a half years worth of releases).

I'm good with the Talon having the Typhoon instead, but I think it should cost a minimum of 175 points.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
Quote:
I read that discussion and list too, but informed opinion seems to split as to whether it's genuine or a complex fake

If it's a fake it's a bloody good one - the product codes are all according to the standard GW product codes, even the checksums (which require an understanding of maths plus a lot of time to fake) on each product code are all correct.

Quote:
the list is labelled at starting to be released in June 2013

I wasn't aware of that, where's that noted?

The list will have to get releases underway this year if they want to get the list of "The Hobbit" models out at or around the same time as the film is released (in December?).
Author:  GlynG [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
Fair enough, that does increase the likelihood somewhat. One bit to mention as well though is that even if this is a list of future releases they've developed some of them might still not make the cut and be released, I have heard of things being designed that they decided against before.

Evil and Chaos wrote:
Quote:
the list is labelled at starting to be released in June 2013

I wasn't aware of that, where's that noted?

The list will have to get releases underway this year if they want to get the list of "The Hobbit" models out at or around the same time as the film is released (in December?).


It's one of the notes under the quoted text in the first post of the Warseer thread:
Quote:
expect release beginning in june 2013 at the earliest, the bulk of the releases for the first movie are done by then

The Hobbit models must be mostly those for the second and third movies not the first. A number of commentators have commented on the irony that we now know more about what will be coming out for 40k in two and a half years than two and a half months.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
Quote:
It's one of the notes under the quoted text in the first post of the Warseer thread

Then I'd assume that start date is speculation. We have no way of knowing when GW will want to release the new Space Marines Codex.
Author:  GlynG [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
I understand the notes with the starting from June 2013 date were with the codes when they were posted, not subsequent speculation.

I'm not claiming we can know exactly when GW will want to release the SM codex, but if the codes are genuine, then it looks likely it won't be till June 2013 or later.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
I guess we won't see a new (standard) Codex Space Marines this year. But we will see a new Codex Chaos Space Marines and Codex Dark Angels. Then Tau or Eldar and THEN Space Marines.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
Quote:
it is speculated to consist of two to two and a half years worth of releases

There are 4 Codex releases in the list by my eye (Sisters, Orks, Marines, Eldar).
That doesn't look like 2+ years' worth of releases to me... more like 6-12 months' worth I'd guess.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
AFAIK GW plans to release 3 Cocices per year.
Author:  Ginger [ Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
As before, my only caveat is the AA4+ stat . . . :tut
Please lets not set precedents, Ok - you know the arguments, so I will not rehash them ;)
Author:  Lord Aaron [ Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter & Stormtalon
don't want to ruin your day but the guy who posted this list came out and said it was strait up all fake... sorry...
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