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| Author: | nealhunt [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | White Scars |
In going over the SM Compendium, the NetERC realized something about some pricing in the White Scars. The "standard" cost for Terminators has become 350 and Land Raiders 75. Mounted Termies are therefore 650 in nearly all the marine lists. So, unless someone presents a compelling reason against it, the White Scars Terminator formation is going to 650 points (from 675). I doubt this will be controversial, but I want to make sure we don't blindside people with "official" changes that haven't been aired in advance. |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
Neal The decision on Land Raiders was 85 points unless they are replacing another transport (at which point they are costed at 75 points) Now if it is fluff or balance that they have the cheaper formation, then that is fine. Otherwise 690 (or 675 at a discount) appears to be their correct pricing. |
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| Author: | Moscovian [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
Well, it does conflict with the White Scars list in Epic: Siege, which prices them out at 675. I have never played against or with White Scars, but I do know that a disparity between what is printed and what is posted needs to be addressed if for no other reason than to keep new players from getting confused. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
*Notes down possible change for Epic: Siege 1.1* |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
Have you had a look at the EpicUK list? Among other things has terminators for 600. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
frogbear wrote: The decision on Land Raiders was 85 points unless they are replacing another transport (at which point they are costed at 75 points) In the White Scars list the Land Raiders negate the Terminator's ability to teleport or garrison, so that's why they'd get the cheaper price. |
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| Author: | Dobbsy [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
How does this effect the SW list given the Terminators dont teleport at all? |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
Chroma wrote: frogbear wrote: The decision on Land Raiders was 85 points unless they are replacing another transport (at which point they are costed at 75 points) In the White Scars list the Land Raiders negate the Terminator's ability to teleport or garrison, so that's why they'd get the cheaper price. Well the Marine special rule states that they can ditch the transports before the battle. Yes it is ~ a 300 point loss, but they have not exactly lost their teleport skill 
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
frogbear wrote: The decision on Land Raiders was 85 points unless they are replacing another transport (at which point they are costed at 75 points) Now if it is fluff or balance that they have the cheaper formation, then that is fine. Otherwise 690 (or 675 at a discount) appears to be their correct pricing. That was part of the discussion, but that is not what the lists reflect because there is no easy distinction between LRs that replace Rhinos and those that are add-ons. Codex - 350 Termies, 75 point LRs in the "Land Raider" upgrade = 650 points Black Templars - 350 Termies, 85 point LRs in the "Land Raider" upgrade = 690 points Blood Angels - 350 Termies, 75 points LRs in the "Heavy Support" upgrade = 650 points Salamanders - 325 Termies, 325 for 4 LRs in the "Heavy Transport" upgrade = 650 points Scions - 350 Termies, 75 point LRs in the "Land Raider" upgrade = 650 points Space Wolves - 325 Termies, 75 point LRs in the "Land Raider" upgrade = 625 points Obviously the point costs center on 650. Most of them are exactly 650 except Black Templars and Space Wolves. BT have not been updated in over a year and don't reflect recent changes for the LR/LRC. Space Wolves are 25 points cheaper but take up a restricted slot in the list. Salamanders have a little different price structure due to the Termie unit being different, but it's still 650. For reference, all the EUK SM lists are 650 for Termies + LRs, except White Scars, which is cheaper (dropped all the way to 600 for some reason). |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Scars |
I think you're right, that it was just copied over. I don't think there are Vindi add-ons because they are (or were, when the list was written) too slow. I don't see a need to make any structural changes. |
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