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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:15 pm 
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Could the Sabre transport anyone?


How many could the Spartan transport?


Did the Whirlwind original carry 5 or 10 marines in AT/SM?


The original Predator, did it have a transport capacity of 3 or 4 people?
(And here is a mangled old pred)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:30 pm 
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IIRC->
_none_ of the rhino variants had a transport capability;
if you upgraded to a combat role, it was lost as part of the bargain.
The spartan carried a full squad of termies;
but the number "8" sticks in mind...

All that is off-the-cuff, from memory;
I'll pull out my old White Dwarfs & double check  from textual canon this afternoon
(it'll be interesting to see if my memory is holding up...)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:38 pm 
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I know the whirlwind carried troops in 1st ed, I just can't remember how many (5 or 10?). The original incarnation of the predator had a very limited troop carrying capacity that didn't make it into Epic. Sabre I barely remember and despite making a spartan I have no idea now how many it carried around.

Edit, yep, whirlwinds were 10.




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My version of these AFVs -                                                Sabre - 0 stands ...                                                                                        Spartan - 2(usually Terminator)stands                                                             And as said, eventually all Whirlwinds, Vindys & Preds = 0 stands. Which only makes sense ... the troop compartment is filled with ammo, turret basket, etc. ...




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Oh I know eventually they become zero transport, however I'm wondering what they were before that :)

Are those metal rhinos L4?

If I ever do any I reckon mod the front plate a bit and stick a marine senor widget where the bolters are. However centerline or off center? Guess I'd copy a Stug





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They are metal,  I'd recognise them anywhere.

Wish I had more myself  :down:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:22 pm 
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Yes, my Sabres are metal ...  :cool: With old IG 40K las-rifle as barrel ...  :grin:

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What was the Sabre armed with? A battlecannon?

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Originally an Auto-cannon ...  But we made the MK.2L4 version with a las-cannon ... :laugh:

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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ Sep. 29 2009, 15:12 )

Oh I know eventually they become zero transport, however I'm wondering what they were before that :)

Are those metal rhinos L4?

If I ever do any I reckon mod the front plate a bit and stick a marine senor widget where the bolters are. However centerline or off center? Guess I'd copy a Stug

The off-center main gun is based on (I'm guessing) IIRC the USSR SU-85 or SU-100 ?

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Yes the 85/100 is far more Sabre looking.



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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ Sep. 29 2009, 12:30 )

Yes the 85/100 is far more Sabre looking.

Not to mention the Jagdpanther.

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Really? I thought that one is too high superstructure wise? It's more stug like in terms of silhouette surely?

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Nope, it's closer to an SU-100 than a StuG.

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Okay-  reviewed the Literature:

WD103 Jul88 Rhino Kit introduced CP-12 (1st Predator conversion pic)
WD104 Aug88 Land Raider Kit introduced
WD105 Sept88 Land Raider stats CP-12
WD109 Jan89 Epic Rhino & LandRaider CP-10; 40K version reinforced CP-12
WD112 Apr89 Predator Kit introduced CP-5  : Terminators introduced
WD116 Aug89 Epic Predator & Vindicator introduced _NO_CP
WD117 Sept89 40K Whirlwind CP-12 (implied)
WD118 Oct89 40K Vindicator _NO CP_
WD119 Nov89 40K Spartan CP-10/(5 Terminators)
WD120 Dec89 40K Sabre _NO CP_
{Edit}
WD123Mar90 Epic stats revision; appears to be 1st Whirlwind stat for epic
(but i may have missed something, I admit)
--->2 Stands: Rhino, Land Raider, Whirlwind (Spartan implied, but not mentioned)
--->0 Stands: Predator, Vindicator (Sabre implied, but not mentioned)

"CP" is 'capacity', the number of deployed troops carried;
Terminators count as 2 slots in early vehicle descriptions

40K allows 12-CP for Rhino & Raider; Epic rounds -down- to 10-CP (or two stands)
Predator & Vindicator explicitly have NO capacity in Epic;
Predator has CP-5 in 40K:
The Whirlwind has CP12 implied, as the rules state "uses standard rhino stats"
(stilllooking for EpicCP {Edit->Confirmed WD 123)

I have no idea where the 1st Ed Epic stats for the Sabre are from (if they exist),
but I would tend to doubt 'em, without documenting the source

Hope that Helps-
(On Reflection: That was a pretty amazing Year;
-every-major design element of the milieu was established
in the space of just a few months...)

{ EDIT }
...and I have to say; Thanks for reminding me about the Sabre and Spartan;
I always wanted to convert some of those, but never quite got around to it.
Imperial Las-Guns, you say...?
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