Login |  Register |  FAQ
   
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 7 of 9
  [ 122 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next

Consolidated view so far
zombocom
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:52 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am
Posts: 5569
frogbear wrote:
I am sure we could justify anything with a story. How about the warhound that loses it's 'pair'? I am sure there is more than one like that.


Yep, and in the background it then pairs up with any other lone warhound that are around. The result is that there's never more than one lone one.

frogbear wrote:
What you are proposing is a shabby and lazy reasoning in favour of a simple 25 point increase.


+25 points won't lead to less warhounds, just to less marines. 0-1 will.


Last edited by zombocom on Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:55 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Ginger
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:54 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:20 pm
Posts: 5483
Location: London, UK
Guys, this debate is rapidly going round in circles and getting nowhere; we are all rehashing what was said earlier.
There are two elements - test them separately

  1. The various formation changes proposed in #1-4
  2. The Warhound change in #5

Lets do them in that order (to see if the changes make Marine AV more desirable or not).
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
frogbear
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:59 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:22 pm
Posts: 5682
Location: Australia
I would rather the removal of the single Warhound rather than accept a 0-1 restriction.

Where are 0-1 restriction is placed in for balance or to force a different play style (let's face it, that is what it is), then it is best to find another way.

_________________
Frogbear is responsible for...
Previous World Eaters
Previous Emperor's Children
Previous Death Guard
Previous Imperial Fists
Previous Chaos Squats
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
zombocom
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:02 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am
Posts: 5569
frogbear wrote:
I would rather the removal of the single Warhound rather than accept a 0-1 restriction.


That's pretty bizarre.

frogbear wrote:
Where are 0-1 restriction is placed in for balance or to force a different play style (let's face it, that is what it is), then it is best to find another way.


Sure. If another way can be found then great, but +25 points doesn't do it.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
frogbear
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:05 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:22 pm
Posts: 5682
Location: Australia
zombocom wrote:
Sure. If another way can be found then great, but +25 points doesn't do it.


Opinion noted.

_________________
Frogbear is responsible for...
Previous World Eaters
Previous Emperor's Children
Previous Death Guard
Previous Imperial Fists
Previous Chaos Squats
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
zombocom
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:07 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am
Posts: 5569
As has been said, 2 x 300 point warhound just mean one less chaplain in the army.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:10 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
Ginger wrote:
Guys, this debate is rapidly going round in circles and getting nowhere; we are all rehashing what was said earlier.
There are two elements - test them separately

  1. The various formation changes proposed in #1-4
  2. The Warhound change in #5

Lets do them in that order (to see if the changes make Marine AV more desirable or not).

I'll test whatever dobbsy decides on in his final "this is what we're going to test" list. I would have gotten In a first test with all of dobbsy's proposed changes last night but traffic made me miss my game. I'm away for the next few weeks so I'll get in some heavy testing when I return.




Zombo: maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, we can see what happens when land raiders and predators are actually worth taking.

_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
zombocom
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:11 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am
Posts: 5569
If LRs are 300 points then maybe they'll get taken over warhounds. That's the price point needed for me though.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
frogbear
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:12 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:22 pm
Posts: 5682
Location: Australia
If we could have something in the next few days for a test, I will set up playtesting as early as next week for any proposed changes.

No doubt people may also start to fire up their Vassal engines as well... :P

_________________
Frogbear is responsible for...
Previous World Eaters
Previous Emperor's Children
Previous Death Guard
Previous Imperial Fists
Previous Chaos Squats
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Mephiston
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:17 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:52 pm
Posts: 4262
frogbear wrote:
No doubt people may also start to fire up their Vassal engines as well... :P


Is that still running a warp factor 1.1.13 or am I behind the time these days?
Top
 Profile  
 
frogbear
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:21 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:22 pm
Posts: 5682
Location: Australia
I believe 1.1.13 is a winning number

_________________
Frogbear is responsible for...
Previous World Eaters
Previous Emperor's Children
Previous Death Guard
Previous Imperial Fists
Previous Chaos Squats
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:22 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
Poke zombo until he finishes his 3d tabletop engine. It's 90% finished iirc.

_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
frogbear
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:26 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:22 pm
Posts: 5682
Location: Australia
Evil and Chaos wrote:
Poke zombo until he finishes his 3d tabletop engine. It's 90% finished iirc.

:o

_________________
Frogbear is responsible for...
Previous World Eaters
Previous Emperor's Children
Previous Death Guard
Previous Imperial Fists
Previous Chaos Squats
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
carlos
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:53 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:03 pm
Posts: 1081
Location: London, UK
First 90% takes 10% of the time, last 10% takes 90% of the time?

_________________
Image
Image
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Jaggedtoothgrin
 Post subject: Re: Consolidated view so far
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:14 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 20, 2010 6:12 am
Posts: 1331
Location: Australia
alas, my computer broke a while back, so i no longer have 1.1.13
whatever shall i do?

_________________
~Every Tool Is A Weapon, If You Hold It Right~
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 7 of 9
  [ 122 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB ® Forum Software © phpBB Group
CoDFaction Style by Daniel St. Jules of Gamexe.net