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Bump.
All this talk about space marine ground pounders has inspired me to put some work into these guys, it would be good to get another version out before the BA codex next year.
Having some better ground-pounding options was definitely a design goal for this list... so let's see...
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Assault formation down to 250pts - there are better asssault options than assault marines at this cost!
There have been no complaints about this formation's overpoweredness at 275pts, so I'll say yes here.
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Drop Dreads from Devs - BA close support Dreads don't fit the Dev role, plus Furisos in Devs make an uncharacteristically powerful THawk load out!
Could do.
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Drop "Fast Attack" upgrade from bikes - big bike formations make uncharacteristically good assault formations!
But bike formations
are assault formations.
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Combine "Bikes" and "Landspeeders" into one "Fast Attack" formation made up of any combination of Bikes and
LS - This would be cool for collecters and buyers, simplify the list, bring logic to the "Fast Attack" upgrade but make little/no difference to the balance.
Makes little difference to balance, but wouldn't this be better for a list like the Dark Angels for their Ravenwing?
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Return the Landing Craft to 350pts - a) it's not worth 375pts or over used as it's so difficult to use without overcommiting points and activations, it's also a massive gamble to use vs half good AA ( most Eldar armies). b) The raise allows the continuation of the cheesy "spam Terminators and have a LC BTS" tactic. The LC should not be the marine BTS, your just going to see fewer big ground formations. c) I think the raise is an attack on marine AVs. You don't take an LC with no intention to carry tanks, do we want to discourage the use of marine tanks?
This was a NetEA change, and being as the Codex list seems to have dropped this change, there's no reason to keep it here.
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Consider Dread upgrade @ 50pts - if Devs cannot take them Tacs seem like a good and logical parent unit (Termies Teleport and squeeze into THawks, Assaults are fast...), a cheaper Dread might see more Tacs
I've softend on the Tac upgrades as they do need all the help they can get!
How do you feel about just dropping the cost of Tacticals by 25pts?
This is a solution I find myself supporting more and more, for all Marine lists.
The (superior to normal) Dreadnoughts can then stay at 75pts.
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*Must see about scratchbuilding some of the missing Marine models*