In crusader squads Initiates can have either bolters or bolt pistols/ccws (any mix of the two in the unit) and Neophytes, if any, have either bolt pistols/ccws or shotguns (again any mix of the two).

as vytzka has said in 40k BT don't have Whirlwinds or devestators, the fluff gives alot of reasons for this but the one i like is, that why would a BT space marine sit somewere far away from the fight when he could be hacking something to death with his chainsword? and why would he want to soften the targets when if you did that there might be less enemys to hack to bits later?

the THT hit allocation works the same way as any other WE formation and a critial only affects the one it hits.

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err... i kind of like the first page, it adds something to the look of the list, sorry.

i mean what else could i put there, if i did a white page i don't think it would look right.

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I think the concern is that in printing it, it burns a ton of toner.  If you're printing on a home machine that can be irksome due to expense.

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ok i can feel the pressure

what about this:

first page

and thinking about it i do have a big laser printer, and it dosen't use much ink for that page

and that's cool about the Black Templar game, i'm intersted to see how you think the list plays

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Can I just ask does the crusader really get 3 extra attacks, one being MW! If so how can it cost the same as a vanilla land raider?

The Hurricane bolter is listed as 2x which normal gives two of whatever is in the description. So I read that as 2 x EA(+1). If this isn't what is intended should the description change to twin hurricane bolters or similar?

My fault, I mis read the pintel multi melta. So the main attack is MW, then 2 extra normal attacks.

Still I think I'd take these over normal raiders.