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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans  Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:41 pm |
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Close Combat (including Teleporting in) - Inf vs. Titans, like Commandoes assaulting a Ship ... isn't it covered generally in the C/Cbt rules somewhere ? Or is it another case of making "Special Rules" ? But may be worth a look ? I like the concept of Terminator, Assualt Troops, etc. assaulting a huge Titan ... of course I'd rather not be in the assault force, but in the TOC, running the Op !  
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:15 pm |
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Hi!
Even in the old Heresy era SM wouldnt take on a titan without titan support if they could help it. They could try and may even be successful, but it would hurt. Thats a poor use of specialist troops like this.
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:57 am |
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Of course, back in the Heresy, the Marines and the Titan Legions weren't separated into two differant armed forces, were they? If the Marines wanted to bring a Titan along, they just filled out the paperwork and brought it.
I like the multi-melta land speeder idea more and more. Fast, hard hitting, Titan-killing. Sounds like Space Marines to me.
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:36 am |
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Actually SMs and Titans were/are from separate organizations even during the Heresy. ?However, they worked together closely as needed ... Titan Support is like Naval Fire Support, so they would be attached/Called In, etc. like CAS ... IMO ... ?
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:09 pm |
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I still don't see why we can't go with Multimelta options for Devastators and Tacticals. Why, fluffwise, would these even exist if it weren't for this sort of thing?
That said, when looking at the Marine force in Epic, Landspeeders do seem the more effective way of doing things(short of Titans).
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:01 pm |
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| Quote (Pariah Press @ 21 Jan. 2006 (22:57)) | Of course, back in the Heresy, the Marines and the Titan Legions weren't separated into two differant armed forces, were they? ?If the Marines wanted to bring a Titan along, they just filled out the paperwork and brought it. ?
?I like the multi-melta land speeder idea more and more. ?Fast, hard hitting, Titan-killing. ?Sounds like Space Marines to me. |
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I'm from the "you need a titan to kill a titan school" so this idea doesnt appeal to me all that great. Dont know how it is under epic A, but in netepic it would be extremely difficult to do with landspeeders. I find land raider companies more effective in this regard.
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:06 pm |
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| Quote (Xisor @ 22 Jan. 2006 (09:09)) | I still don't see why we can't go with Multimelta options for Devastators and Tacticals. Why, fluffwise, would these even exist if it weren't for this sort of thing?
That said, when looking at the Marine force in Epic, Landspeeders do seem the more effective way of doing things(short of Titans).
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Hi!
Fluffwise, in the old days the multi-melta on a landspeeder was the same as the heavy melta support troops would use. Hardly a titan killer. There were larger titan mounted meltas for this. While landspeeders could hurt the titan, the weapons ower was average for titan killing purposes. You needed volcano cannons, titan mounted plasma weapons and melta cannons to assure a kill.
If the epic A rules made the landspeeder melta effective against titans, then by all means use it, but fluffwise (at least in my view) it does fit with the units tactical use.
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:59 pm |
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Hey,
By the man portable style, I mean not a single TK Multimelta, but rather the effect of half a dozen of them scuttling around it's feet, able to quickly insert up close, and do the business.
At any rate, though more expensive, 6 Tactical Stands with the MultiMelta using the identical stat modifier as compared to the Landspeeders' melta(ie MW5+, confers MW to the FF value too) then a more expensive Tactical Formation(opposed to the LS formation) could more easily do the business.
Chapters have the ability(surely?) to outfit Devastators with Multimeltas too(certainly the Salamanders do!), then a Dev Stand with it's MLs exchanged for MMs would be a fearsome force in face of a titan(or any other war engine). Specialised to close range, yes, but it's not an unthinkable idea. Rather, it's what most chapters would do if they simply didn't have the support of another Titan or the ability to simply ignore it.
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:40 pm |
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:43 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 19 Jan. 2006 (21:47)) | The SM list has a formation that is filled with nothing but multi-meltas - Speeders. ?I have yet to figure out why people don't like them, but for me they consistently hammer RA targets, including titans. ?I've managed as many as 40 MW attacks in 2 turns from 2 formations of Speeders when facing a Nid biotitan. ?While that is extreme, I'd say I usually average well over 1 attack per unit per turn over the course of a game. ?Fire/support assault is the name of the game.
They are cheap, so nothing should stop you from taking them in mass quantities. ?It's rare that I take a marine force without at least 1 formation and I usually have 2 at 2700-3000 points.
If a marine force is short on MW attacks, it's no different than an IG force being short on TK attacks because they didn't take Shadowswords. |
I agree on the Speeder comment.
I've faced three units of speeders, one with captain so they can do combined firefights by themselves if necessary. Nasty. The following is a typical sequence:
Speeders are the last formations to move in a turn - they move or double and shoot the target.
Start of next turn - marines win initiative - assault the target with whatever - speeders support (or do a combined engage action themselves). Then sustained fire or more firefights....
A lot of MW hits can be dished out. Speeders can often get into a crossfire position as well.
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:51 pm |
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Thanks "P" ... I already have one on my @#?$@%! And I think Speeders with M/M would do some damage !
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Post subject: Marines vs. Titans Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:49 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 22 Jan. 2006 (15:06)) | Fluffwise, in the old days the multi-melta on a landspeeder was the same as the heavy melta support troops would use. Hardly a titan killer. There were larger titan mounted meltas for this. While landspeeders could hurt the titan, the weapons ower was average for titan killing purposes. You needed volcano cannons, titan mounted plasma weapons and melta cannons to assure a kill.
If the epic A rules made the landspeeder melta effective against titans, then by all means use it, but fluffwise (at least in my view) it does fit with the units tactical use.
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It's not a titan killer in the same sense that a Volcano Cannon or Plasma Cannon is, i.e. a "Titan Killer" weapon in EA. However, it is a Macroweapon, which is very good at dealing with heavy armor. Used in mass quantities, it can and should be effective at whacking on titans.
Of course, as with all things SM, the optimum way of handling titans is a combined arms approach - Land Raiders or Predator Annihilators or Devastators firing en masse to strip shields, followed by the MW units closing to use armor piercing weaponry.
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