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Should there be a Stormraven formation? Like the Land Raider formation? It'd provide some cheaper ones to the list, and help replace the lost LR formation. And let them be used a little as an AA formation.
Two replies in here.
Rug:
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Codex Angels of Death contains some background which is not covered in the new Codex. Basically BA turn everything they do into an art, they have the best artificiers, their assaults are rapid and coordinated, they are highly respected, GW have even written about how good looking they are.
Their flaw, the Thirst, turns BA into th antithesis of everything they strive for, this is why they find it so horrifying. BA are pretty much described as the best... but with a dark secret which is quickly killing the Chapter off.
I am uncomfortable with any fluff which describes a particular group of Space Marines as better than all the others.
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As has been discussed before that bikes are exceptionly good value at 200pts. It has also been discussed that a bike upgrade doesn't really offer anything and would not be used.
By you. No one else seemed to care from what I've seen. Of course, that equally means no one leaped up to defend it.
What about if it were three bases of Bikes for 100 points?
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If we include every combination of units possible by the fluff we will end up with a list devoid of character (marines with more), it will also be really long and would not fit in with any of the other EA list where there is a certain level of abstraction.
Adding an option to take a unique-to-Blood-Angels-unit to a unit that currently lacks any particular BA flavor seems like it makes the list more unique, not less.
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Most armour formations have already been cut from BA, I don't think cutting bike formations would do anything for the list except piss off player with bikes who don't want to take duff upgrades.
If the problem with the upgrade is adding infantry to a vehicle formation, then yes, there's a problem. If the problem is the price, that can be fixed.
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FYI I had proposed limiting the Raven to Assault Formations and Scouts only and reduce the price.... I felt this would see them actually used in a balanced way but promote more BA like lists. The more units that can take the Raven the harder it is to balance and so the more it has to cost... we then hardly ever see any Ravens.
If Terminators can take them they'll need twice as many as everyone else. That right there is a balancing factor (it certainly is for Land Raiders). They also won't teleport, which is an additional 25 points added on to the cost of the Stormravens. I'd say that works OK.
Additionally...they have a 60cm AT5+ attack, Skimmer and 35cm move. And a 4+ save. I'd say they're worth 100 points. At minimum, they should be the same price as Land Raiders. 60cm AT is hard to come by in the SM list. As is AA.
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The new codex also stresses the BA love of flight (*groan*) and re-affirms the rapid strike using overwhelming force as their typical strategy.
Them and all the other Space Marines.
You know, it occurs to me that no one ever mentions Sanguinius flying. Maybe when he fougth the Bloodthirster, but I'm not even sure about that...
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A supplement will have all the datafaxes for vehicles... so it would make little sense to list all the vehicles for the blood angels and write their speed ratings incorrectly and then modify them all with a special rule on the army list page... I'd say that'd be a confusing situation, or at the least, inelegant.
A point. Of course, having multiple different presentations of the same list running around is also confusing and inelegant.
Isn't this fun?
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Version 2.08.
Well. That was tricky.
Asked Rug above about his views on Bikes-as-upgrade if they had a cost decrease (which I think they should. One unit of Bikes is worth 40 points - I'd say offering three for 100 would be not unreasonable, since they're part of another formation).
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Many lists in the NetEA compendium are already different from their stand-alone versions, mostly in the cause of renaming units.
Damn. Oh well, then.
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Rug's right about the Blood Angels' love of aesthetics, elegance and efficiency.
I just can't buy them being clearly more efficient than other Space Marine Chapters. Aesthetics and elegance I'll accept, but the idea that a Chapter which has problems keeping it together long enough to shoot someone instead of run up and try to eat their face and which routinely begged their Techmarines to dangerously modify engines in order to get into combat more quickly is more efficient than other Space Marine Chapters is the bad kind of silly.
