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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:11 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:27 pm 
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Some people do however stick with the NetEpic/2nd edition command stands - if you do that just remember to swap out a stand from the formation for that one.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:07 pm 
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madmagician wrote:
That seems awful small to me for average game size, I was used to 5000-7500 point SM2 games being typical, 3k points is barely any models on a 4x6 board!

That's pretty big for SM2, isn't it? I seem to recall it was intended for the 2000-5000 point range as well. The league we played was 3050 (50 points over to bump over into more objective markers). I'm pretty sure we rarely went over about 4000 unless people wanted to bring lots of titans and superheavies.

In any case, the point totals are within ~10% between EA and SM/TL, with SM/TL being a bit cheaper. They shift, with some units being more or less expensive relative to others, obviously, but overall stick to that ratio pretty closely. For example, an 850 point battle company is 19 units in SM/TL, while a comparable force in EA is 775 points for 14 units (tacs + devs + assault + commander). That's ~45 points per unit versus ~55 points per unit. Likewise, 1000 points/19 stands of Devs in SM/TL would be 1050/16 stands in EA.

As far as filling the board, there is a lot more maneuver in EA than in SM/TL. Speeds are faster and ranges are shorter. The extra space gives good maneuver choices.

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As far as your translation, it looks like a direct conversion from SM/TL to EA. That's fine but due to differences in mechanics there are some sub-optimal results.

For example, Dreadnoughts don't combine well with Terminators. They can't teleport or be transported in Land Raiders. They push the formation over the limit for deploying in a Thunderhawk. In fact, due to the mis-match of Dread capabilities with most of the army, their functional roles are pretty limited. If you want to do 1st Veterans + Dreads for style reasons, there are two decent choices:

Tacs + Dreads + Hunter - This formation can garrison. That puts AA in a better position to cover the battlefield, and as Armored Vehicles with good armor, the Dreads make for a good "meat shield" for the Hunter.

Tacs + Dread - This is a Thawk load (6 units + the Dread counts as 2). With an assault Dread it gives a pretty strong air assault. It's not as much of a hammer as other combinations, but with one shot per unit it remains pretty flexible for follow-on actions.


There are various tricks and tips like this in all of the conversions. If you want to go through all of it, I would suggest you take them block by block. That way you're tuning a couple thousand points at a pop. 20,000 all at once is going to be nearly impossible.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:45 pm 
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nealhunt wrote:

Tacs + Dreads + Hunter - This formation can garrison. That puts AA in a better position to cover the battlefield, and as Armored Vehicles with good armor, the Dreads make for a good "meat shield" for the Hunter.

Tacs + Dread - This is a Thawk load (6 units + the Dread counts as 2). With an assault Dread it gives a pretty strong air assault. It's not as much of a hammer as other combinations, but with one shot per unit it remains pretty flexible for follow-on actions.


There are various tricks and tips like this in all of the conversions. If you want to go through all of it, I would suggest you take them block by block. That way you're tuning a couple thousand points at a pop. 20,000 all at once is going to be nearly impossible.


Neal, thanks for the tips, is there a repository of this information somewhere that I can use to better optimize my army? I would like to set up a 3k and 5k "Tourney" list, the rest will be more of a "fun" list for 10k+ "Epic-Epic" battles at home and with friends.

Also as a side note, my friends and I in the SM2/TL days played 7500-10k battles regularly, it usually went 6-8 hours for 5 turns which is when we started counting VP (or when I gave up because I rolled enough snake eyes to make a casino full of craps players rich at my expense.......)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:52 pm 
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Ah, 6-8 hour games can be done with Epic, its just more fun for most to play games over in an evening!

http://epic-uk.co.uk/ukepicachampionship/index.php

Check out each tourney (start with the most recent!) and you should see links to winning lists (and those that didn't win!).


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:28 pm 
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madmagician wrote:
Neal, thanks for the tips, is there a repository of this information somewhere that I can use to better optimize my army?

No problem. Right now the closest thing is the "SM Tactics" thread pinned in the top of the strategy and tactics section of the board. I've requested that someone step up and put together a tactica that picks out the best of that but no one has volunteered as of yet.

I would also recommend Jaldon's general advice thread in that same section of the board.

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Also as a side note, my friends and I in the SM2/TL days played 7500-10k battles regularly, it usually went 6-8 hours

Ah, yes. I miss the days when I had that kind of time to devote to gaming.


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