Well, I don'thave a problem with the Crusader's multimelta being ranged rather than FF.

Why can't the transport capacity be fixed, though? Are there a number of official lists using the Crusader out there?

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It's one of the hallmarks of the Crusader that it has 33% more transport space than a regular Land Raider.

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Yep, the crusader simply has more transport space, that's one of its defining characteristics. Unfortunately this leads to being able to transport formations much more cheaply, and with a tank that's too good in FF.

Frankly it's just worth more than the normal raider.

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I am aware of its current transport capacity. My question was  why this could not be changed? And if one did not change it, could not the cost just be upped? And if it is too good at FF, surely this means it is not a bad thing that there needs to be fewer of them per formation?

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Have these issues been sorted out at all? I'm keen to use the Crusader in the Space Wolves list but would like to know where we stand on stats etc before I go that way.

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Ok Hena I'll use the de-MWFF'd version in my list.

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I still am extremely against having a multimelta that doesn't have a shooting attack. IMHO that's entirely unacceptable. Either remove it entirely or reinstate it completely; this half-way-house is completely against the way epic represents all weapons.

Zombo which way did you argue when this issue (MWFF) came up for the Tau Crisis suits? When I argued that having Fusion weapons should get MWFF I was told by a few that the entire formation has to have them as a staple weapon in numbers (aka Fire Dragons, Wraithguard) and that a couple of weapons didn't amount to MW FF.

Right or wrong, perhaps this is the same?

For the same points and the extra carrying capacity, removing the multimelta is the way to go IMO.

Otherwise, increase the price. It has been proven time and again that FF EA+1 MW is very effective. The fact that you have to buy less of these to transport formations is also a really really nice benefit.

2 easy solutions that provide a consistent message.

Kind of hard if no-one is playtesting it.

Not the same, because multi-meltas on other individual vehicles, such as land speeders do get MW FF and a MW shot.

Personally I'm in favour of removing the multimelta to balance the crusader.

I agree with Zombocom, making up new stats for the Multi-Melta is counter-intuitive, against the standard conventions of Epic, and is also unnessesary.

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Right. Either keep the shooting Multi-melta or remove it.

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What the past three people said.

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