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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:58 am 
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How is it undercutting them though if they dont produce the product for the game?


GW labour under the illusion that if people cant buy epic (or other specialist games products) they will buy GW's higher profit 28mm lines. If i buy a ghost arc from trollz, GW thinks that's money i'd have otherwise been forced to spend on 28mm space marines. I wish i was joking.

For example: necromunda has (had …) a low buy in and low total army cost. If i can't buy necromunda I might buy a 28mm space marine army for £500–1000.

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actual effect: i now buy nothing from GW except metalic paints.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:36 pm 
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Yeah we can argue all we want about if this is a wise or strategically beneficial approach to take or how much harm this causes GW with concepts such as "oh but it keeps people in their ecosystem and/or buying bitz". The point stands that they have all the legal rights to request them to stop. In fact they C&D'd and didn't send a lawyer to sue them (though I'm sure the combination of where they are and the ROI being prohibitive was factor). That doesn't though make them dicks, perhaps one can argue foolish however.

When trollz first started out I used to politely PM people about the wisdom in posting links everywhere to their site going "Ooooommegrhhhhd Tankss!!!!!" as without a doubt would eventually get noticed and that perhaps being a bit more circumspect would be better. They themselves quickly started showing up doing exactly that in Facebook and other places so I quickly didn't bother anymore. Just going to say that perhaps the next time someone does the Epic community a service in the future perhaps some discretion is in order. This also means anyone making stuff should be a bit careful to avoid IP terms and rubbing it in faces as well.

The Trollz guys are awesome cool dudes and I wish them well.

Edit: That's less a problem here than plenty of stuff on Facebook and a few other places in the interwebs where I went, "JFC dude why don't you just email GW yourself?".

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GW should licence companies like this like sub-contractors, etc. ... but that would make too much sense. Of course their legal guys may try to get too big of a piece of the action. And want to take too big of a cut.

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They made it clear to a couple of people here (they can speak up if they care) when approached about doing exactly that, that they have none then, and will for the conceivable future, any desire to produce or license their IP for 6mm gaming.

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Yes, that is why GW sucks !!!!!!!!!!! :gah

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Yeah according to a few people that were there at GW HQ during the time frame in question (such as MiyamatoMusashi and Shelfunit on Warseer IIRC) the sales of epic material almost always matched corresponding drops in 40k sales. Of course correlation is not proof of causation but it was enough to make GW freak out about cannibalizing sales and evidentally 40k had better margins (not sure why other than possibly economies of scale). So does that make GW suck? I don't know. I mean, they're in business to make money and if they have to pick between two product lines, you're generally going to pick the more profitable one. Of course that's predicated on the belief that it was one or the other and removes all strategic considerations which we know GW can make (and even well such as with the capture of the LotR license).

meh... we're getting off topic now. Point is, just because GW doesn't cater to me doesn't mean they suck. It just means my money isn't what they are marketing to. They don't have any requirements or responsibilities to me and vice versa. They make a product and if I see it as value, I can chose to purchase. I don't see it so therefore I don't purchase and we all go on our merry ways. Similar feelings I have in wonderment about the AoS - WHFB based rage quitting that I've seen (up to individuals actually filming themselves burning their collections). GW doesn't have any responsibilities to you once you purchase.

Now as to Trollz, the point is they designed cool things and marketed them under GW IP. You can't sell a Leman Russ unless GW tells you you can. The funny thing is that there's very little needed to most of their models to make them kosher because WW1 in Space styles tanks isn't really copyright-able. And as GW v CHS outcome provided, you can even market as "compatible with XYZ". I'm going to expect to see them around again in a bit with some slightly altered models for sale.

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As I have said many times before ... their is a lot of 6mm SF options out there today ...

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Legion 4 wrote:
Yes, that is why GW sucks !!!!!!!!!!! :gah


yet you're angry that a company producing models based on GW designs got shut down.... so maybe they don't suck as much as you make out? ;)

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How is it undercutting them though if they dont produce the product for the game? I get that a Ghost Ark is a Ghost ark no matter the size to them but trying to snuff out life from a obvious well loved game they dont support or produce isnt a way to go about it. IF they were smart they would ask for profits from sales and let it go (As they really need the income).

Mantic undercut GW (More ways then one). Since Age of Sigmar comming, Mantic produced rules for all of GWs fantasy range with point cost etc so that you can keep playing fantasy, and not AoS.


if you don't protect the design, you lose the right to it, at any scale.... if they let this go and said 'we are not challenging this IP infringement' then it would be an open door, mantic or whoever could start producing 'necron ghost arks' at 28mm scale, EXACT copies.... THAT is how it could undercut GW, I'm no legal expert, but it may have further ramiifications with other models, case law could establish that GW doesn't defend IP therefore all their IP is worthless, and as an IP-based company that would pretty much be the end of them, they are legally bound to defend their IP, it would be exactly the same if 'Super-Friendly-Corp' produced a range of models, they would be compelled to act exactly as GW have done, or lose their intellectual property

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Well ... they suck enough ... :-* 8) But if you notice, my 6mm SF inventory just does not include all GW/FW too ... There are again, a lot of options out there ... :whistle

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