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Should Living Metal be changed so that it no longer ignores Macro Weapons?
Poll ended at Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:04 pm
Yes 38%  38%  [ 10 ]
No 31%  31%  [ 8 ]
Metalcurry 31%  31%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 26

Change LM: Yea or Nay

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Yeah 22 votes only 9 were to change.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:45 pm 
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Hena wrote:
IMO this poll shows that nothing needs to be changed in approved list.


Err, I'm not saying that I have decided that stuff should change, but how do you get the above out of the poll?

edit: Right, 9 votes to change. But only 6 votes to keep it as it is.


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And 8 metalcurry which if I understand it would be "other(discuss below) " yeah which is neither. I think the point is rather that there's no clear mandate for anything.

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And 8 metalcurry which if I understand it would be "other(discuss below) " yeah which is neither. I think the point is rather that there's no clear mandate for anything.


That kinda describes this entire process. It's frustrating. Because I don't think the list is as good as it should be.


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In the current iteration of Wh40k Living Metal only gives a 2+ Save against "Crew Shaken" (=can't move next turn)results and a 4+ Save against "Crew Stunned" (= can't move and can't shoot next turn).

Daemon Engines in Wh40k ignore "Crew Shaken" and get a 2+ Save against "Crew Stunned" . They have an Invulnerable Save in Epic.
Perhabs this is the way to go?

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Daemon Engines in Wh40k ignore both results automatically and have an Invulnerable Save in Epic.
Perhabs this is the way to go?


That...would take some work to balance.


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I'm voting no. The old list plays well for the most part and LM modifications aren't going to help the few things that are wrong with the list. Fluff wise, the list is designed for old Necrons and that's okay. We're not keeping up with the GW Joneses. We had no real reason to do it before and since they've abandoned us we have even less reason to do it now.

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Hena wrote:
My standards for approved list. Unless 75% or more asks for change then in my case it's not happening and not worth serious consideration from list maintainer. At ~90% I would be highly likely to change things. This was back when I was running Marines and we were mostly talking about point changes and not major rules of army type.


Good point.


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Hena wrote:
My standards for approved list. Unless 75% or more asks for change then in my case it's not happening and not worth serious consideration from list maintainer. At ~90% I would be highly likely to change things. This was back when I was running Marines and we were mostly talking about point changes and not major rules of army type.


Good point.

Levels which basically ensure nothing ever changes, especially with the small voting numbers, so problems are never addressed and people get frustrated and discussions get heated or everybody loses interest

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yup, it places all the power in the hands of a few stubborn people

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Get more data then. Run a contest for the best batrep involving the Necrons - no limit on the number of entries and judging is done by you. Sacrifice a few bucks and offer the winner a bag of Edenite warriors or other Necron proxy. The few bucks will be an investment in your sanity.

At the end of the day you need to make a judgment call. I've run polls before only to say "damn the numbers, my gut is right." But you have to balance that against making changes for change's sake. You are the Army Champion and it is your decision.

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At the end of the day you need to make a judgment call. I've run polls before only to say "damn the numbers, my gut is right." But you have to balance that against making changes for change's sake. You are the Army Champion and it is your decision.



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Get more data then. Run a contest for the best batrep involving the Necrons - no limit on the number of entries and judging is done by you. Sacrifice a few bucks and offer the winner a bag of Edenite warriors or other Necron proxy. The few bucks will be an investment in your sanity.


Intriguing...very intriguing...

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At the end of the day you need to make a judgment call. I've run polls before only to say "damn the numbers, my gut is right." But you have to balance that against making changes for change's sake. You are the Army Champion and it is your decision.


My gut tells me that new LM is a better rule...but as I'm a bit unsure of if Necrons are fine, underpowered or overpowered, I'm hesitant. It would be a nerf, albeit not as big as you could think.


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