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Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:34 pm 
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Although I'm unlikely to play NetEA Necrons,, I do have some experience with EUK ones and am am happy to share the experiences I've had with them, in the hope that it might help this project. If I may be so bold as to venture an opinion, I don't like 3 save units. It strikes me as being a bit clunky and from the opposite side of the table it's a bit WTF? How many saves? ::)

It's probably the baby cries making my brain fart - what units have three saving rolls?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:45 pm 
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Evil and Chaos wrote:
It's probably the baby cries making my brain fart - what units have three saving rolls?


Terminators (both loyalist and traitors) with characters, at least - RA + Inv. Tau Manta also gets it (RA + Deflector Shields).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:45 pm 
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Just came home from playing against TSons... there's a lot of 3 saves in that army!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:20 am 
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I meant in the Necrons, sorry. Was wondering why Stomp brought it up in relation to the Necrons.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:43 am 
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One of the suggestions was to make living metal simply an RA with a 4+ invul, I think.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:13 am 
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Evil and Chaos wrote:
I meant in the Necrons, sorry. Was wondering why Stomp brought it up in relation to the Necrons.

I suspect that Stomp might have been referring more in general. EUK lists try to stay away from three saves for a unit with the exception of adding characters, Greater Daemons or big Nids.
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Ulrik
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:13 am 
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Yeah, it was MikeT's suggestion - 5+RA and a 4+ inv save. The math works out (chance of save: 78% normal, 67% MW, 50% TK), but 3 saves is clunky.

And if we're going to pay attention to 'feel' it will probably feel more unfair against normal shots than the current LM rule.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:18 am 
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The plan going forward, until somebody comes up with a better one, is:

- EUK is going to test out nerfed Necrons. I'm going to watch and see how it works out, reports and opinions on how they work there are very welcome! No change planned for the NetEA version for now.

- Nightbringer speed 20cm should be tested. Is it enough to make a difference? Is him "speeding" around at 40cm on the double excessive? (Thanks to Zombo for suggestion.)

- Pylons, Destroyers and walker on C'tan stays as it is. Playtesting reports, on Destroyers especially, is very welcome.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:24 am 
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Yeah, it was MikeT's suggestion - 5+RA and a 4+ inv save.

Ah right, ta. Knew I was missing something somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:54 am 
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Evil and Chaos wrote:
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Yeah, it was MikeT's suggestion - 5+RA and a 4+ inv save.

Ah right, ta. Knew I was missing something somewhere.


How could you miss ME?!?!

Also, tried Destroyers in a EUK necron list this thursday: 6 heavy destroyers at 300, still not sure why they're so all-fired overpowered.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:12 am 
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Ulrik wrote:
The plan going forward, until somebody comes up with a better one, is:

- EUK is going to test out nerfed Necrons. I'm going to watch and see how it works out, reports and opinions on how they work there are very welcome! No change planned for the NetEA version for now.

- Nightbringer speed 20cm should be tested. Is it enough to make a difference? Is him "speeding" around at 40cm on the double excessive? (Thanks to Zombo for suggestion.)

- Pylons, Destroyers and walker on C'tan stays as it is. Playtesting reports, on Destroyers especially, is very welcome.


This to me, sems like a very good way to approach the task at hand. Stomp is impressed.
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Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:25 am 
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Evil and Chaos wrote:
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Yeah, it was MikeT's suggestion - 5+RA and a 4+ inv save.

Ah right, ta. Knew I was missing something somewhere.


How could you miss ME?!?!.

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