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Necron 4.4.1

corey3750

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:40 pm

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ok here's what I have so far:

1.) ?Set Eques base cost to 375, reduce speed to 25cm

2.) ?Change Heavy Destroyer firepower to 1x AT 3+

3.) ?Adding a Destroyer Lord. ?Stats are identical to a normal Lord. ?In fact the unit description is now Necron Lord/Destroyer Lord. ?This is to point out that Eques Lords are on the Destroyers.

4.) ?Change Monolith formation as follows:

Monolith: 125 points
+0-2 Monoliths: 65 points each
+0-3 Obelisks: 35 points each

4.5) Monolith FF attacks set at a fixed +2

5.) ?Creating a Force Recon support formation. ?It's an All Wraith formation. ?It serves as a point filler formation, or can be beefed up into a fast moving close assault formation (like Assault Marines).

6.) ?Adding the Jump Pack ability to Wraiths, since they phase through solid objects, and removing skimmer since they never seem to do any altitude, more of just hover along. ?Not to mention it's almost silly on a hand to hand assault unit with no Fire Fight ability.

7.) ?Considering a point increase and putting First Strike on Wraiths. ?Critters who can pop out of solid objects almost have to get the drop on you.

8.) ?Eliminating Wraiths as a support option for other formations

With the exception of 3.), items 1-4.5 seem pretty well agreed upon. ?What I'd like to get into for this bit is the concept of a Wraith formation instead of having them add ons.

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Chroma

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:50 pm

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All looks pretty good, Corey!

(corey3750 @ Feb. 08 2008,18:40)

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3.) ?Adding a Destroyer Lord. ?Stats are identical to a normal Lord. ?In fact the unit description is now Necron Lord/Destroyer Lord. ?This is to point out that Eques Lords are on the Destroyers.

You don't really need to do this, since, as a character, the Necron Lord is added to a unit that's already in the formation.

Or do you mean that a Necron Lord can't be added to a Heavy Destroyer?

Do you still want the option for them to be added to Pariahs?

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Evil and Chaos

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:01 pm

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3.) Adding a Destroyer Lord. Stats are identical to a normal Lord. In fact the unit description is now Necron Lord/Destroyer Lord. This is to point out that Eques Lords are on the Destroyers.

You need to point out what unit types the character may not join, so that tomb spyders are specifically disalowed, for example.

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Chroma

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:02 pm

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(Evil and Chaos @ Feb. 08 2008,19:01)

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3.) ?Adding a Destroyer Lord. ?Stats are identical to a normal Lord. ?In fact the unit description is now Necron Lord/Destroyer Lord. ?This is to point out that Eques Lords are on the Destroyers.

You need to point out what unit types the character may not join, so that tomb spyders are specifically disalowed, for example.

In the Notes section you could add: Necron Lords may be added to Warrior, Immortal, and Destroyer units if you're looking to restrict them.

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tv1013

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:11 pm

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(Chroma @ Feb. 08 2008,14:02)

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In the Notes section you could add: Necron Lords may be added to Warrior, Immortal, and Destroyer units if you're looking to restrict them.

Why not the following:

Notes: Leader, Invulnerable Save
A Necron Lord is an upgrade to a Necron Warrior or Flayed One stand.
A Destroyer Lord is an upgrade to a Destroyer or Heavy Destroyer stand.

For 4.5, is only the Monolith's Gauss Flux Arc changing to Extra Attacks (+3), or are the Plyon and Warbarque changing as well?

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Evil and Chaos

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:16 pm

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For 4.5, is only the Monolith's Gauss Flux Arc changing to Extra Attacks (+3), or are the Plyon and Warbarque changing as well?

They should be change too.

Perhaps more powerful for the Warbarque's version.

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Chroma

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:51 pm

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(tv1013 @ Feb. 08 2008,19:11)

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Why not the following:

Notes: ?Leader, Invulnerable Save
A Necron Lord is an upgrade to a Necron Warrior or Flayed One stand. ?
A Destroyer Lord is an upgrade to a Destroyer or Heavy Destroyer stand.

Because, if the Necron Lord character unit and the "Destroyer Lord" character unit are exactly the same, except for what they can be attached to, you don't need the "Destroyer Lord" part at all... it just happens when you add "Necron Lord" + "Destroyer"...

Calling it out just added unnecessary verbiage.

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corey3750

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:00 pm

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(Chroma @ Feb. 09 2008,14:51)

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Well, a destroyer lord would be a completely different figure.

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zombocom

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:02 pm

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I too would much rather see it done as notes on the necron lord or in the army list rather than have two entries (which still isn't clear, can they be added to heavy destroyers?)

Necron Lord
type: character
blah blah blah
notes: Leader, Invulnerable Save, May only be added to Necron Warrior, Flayed One, Destroyer or Heavy Destroyer units.

It's clear and unambiguous.

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Chroma

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:05 pm

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(corey3750 @ Feb. 08 2008,20:00)

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Well, a destroyer lord would be a completely different figure.

Just like a Terminator Librarian and a Tactical Librarian would be different from a Vindicator Librarian.

Since they're all "Librarian" characters, they enhance/alter the unit they're attached to, so they don't need to be indicated as different.

Does that make sense? It's the whole nature of what a "character" is in EPIC.

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Evil and Chaos

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:08 pm

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Corey, it's a character; Characters in Epic don't have a 'figure' at all. They're an upgrade for an exiting unit.

For example, think about the Space Marine army list:

- Put a Commander on a Devestator unit, you have a 'Devestator Commander'
- Put a Commander on a Land Speeder unit, you have a 'Land Speeder Commander'
- Put a Commander on a ... etc.

It's the same with the Commissars in the IG army list, you don't have 'Baneblade Commissars' and 'Sentinel Commissars' do you?

You don't define the different types of Lord unit... you define what unit types are allowed to take a Lord Upgrade.

That's just how Epic does things.

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Moscovian

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:27 pm

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Corey, I like the changes. ?Thanks for weeding through the volumes of posts.

1-4 looks good. ?I'm sure you guys will hammer out how to do the lord thing.

4.5 just remember that it should be +2 extra attacks since that will result in three total attacks per Monolith.

5 looks promising and I agree #8 is the way to go if you add it as a recon formation. ?Pricing this should be done very carefully, however, since you want to make it useful but not overpowered. ?The last thing the Necrons need are another overpowered formation to take over where the Destroyers once reigned.

6 yes.

7 If I can make a suggestion, leave off the First Strike and see how they play without it for a time. ?It is easier to give than to take away.

8. ?Yes if you are going with #5.

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Ilushia

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:44 pm

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I'm still of the opinion that the easiest (and most accurate) way to list the Lord's restriction is 'Necron Lords may only be added to Infantry stands'. I realize this allows you to put the lord with Pariahs or Wraiths, but is that by default a BAD thing? I mean, surely in a group as wide-spanning as the 'crons there's a few Lords who differ from 'standard' construction to take flight as a wraith lord or something (And if nothing else, he might just be a destroyer lord with a phase shifter who happens to be trucking around with them!)

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corey3750

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:12 pm

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(Ilushia @ Feb. 09 2008,15:44)

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I don't mind them going on Pariahs or Immortals.

Wraiths would be inappropriate since they are so much slower.

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Chroma

Post subject: Necron 4.4.1

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:18 pm

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(corey3750 @ Feb. 08 2008,22:12)

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Wraiths would be inappropriate since they are so much slower.

If a Necron Lord character was added to a Wraith unit, it would represent some kind of "Wraith Lord" Necron, not an "on foot" Lord running to catch up with the ghosts... or perhaps even a Necron Lord who has a focus on close combat if you can't accept an actual "Wraith Lord".

A character uses all the base statistics of the unit it's attached to, so this "Wraith Lord" would move just as fast as a regular Wraith.

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