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Moscovian
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:29 pm 
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Here is the Necron list as it should appear in Epic: Raiders. Obviously page numbers and things like that will be different. ?Credits for all the models, fiction, and artwork will appear in a separate section.

Feel free to scour over the list. ?I have found that no matter how much time I spend on these things I always miss something or could improve on something :devil:, but if there is any glaring errors by all means let me know and I'll fix it.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:52 pm 
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This look 200% better than the previous versions (game-wise). Plus the outlook is VERY nice, very good unit pictures and other illustrations!
My little gripes on the list itself, which have been talked over and over, but I will still repeat them...

- Pylon should at least have lesser range, like 60cm, so there would be some tactical decisions linked to its positioning - cover entire board and be closer to enemy, or just cover my own side and be in safer location?  Moreover, as those immobile war engines can now claim objectives this becomes even bigger point.
- Wraiths for 50 each is quite cheap - I remember the comments from EX possessed (cc3+ x2 first strike) and those move only 15cm, these go 30!
- initiative 1+ AND +1 bonus to certain action?
- that variable SR is no good. But this is discussed elsewhere...
- I guess there should be test that no more than one supreme commander can be taken...? :]  (50 sounds a bit little - yes, I now it is quite standard but then the unit already has leader and commander - in this case the unit does not have leader, so it is reroll and leader and SR...)
- Nightbringer with SR 3 for just 300? Teleport close to enemy big WE, engage and get 2x TK(d3), 2x MW, 3x plain attack all cc3+ ...while not being itself suspectible to CC weapons (living metal)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:00 pm 
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that variable SR is no good. But this is discussed elsewhere...


This is pretty much my only remaining concern.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:28 pm 
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i really like the look of the list, nice work.

are Obelisks ment to be fearless?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:27 pm 
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Why has the tomb spider lost macro on the claw attack?

Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer speed should be 25cm.

Wraiths shouldn't have an extra attack, the first strike was to replace it.

Pariahs shouldn't be fearless.




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The Destroyer lord doesn't need to be a separate entry in the army list since its a character.

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Guys, thanks for the catches.  Everything posted above is an error that has been fixed with the exception of the following:

The datafax figures, costs, and formations are not my call.  I am only formatting Corey's list so it can match everything in Raiders.  I agree with some of the concerns posted above, disagree with others.  In the end though, Corey is the Necron Champ and I plan to publish it as he sees fit.  For the majority of the list I agree with him, but -like everyone else- there are certain things I would do differently.  Come up with a list out there where everybody agrees on everything and I'll quit my job, shave my head, and join a Polynesian Monastery.

Obelisks as far as I know have been and are still fearless.

As far as the Destroyer Lord goes, I am really not sure what to do with it.  If it has the same stats as the Necron Lord it should be listed as a Necron Lord and we can be done with it.  Conversely, I could label the datafax as 'Necron or Destroyer Lord' but I think that looks awkward.  A third option is to create a new datafax for the Destroyer Lord.  Suggestions from the champ or anyone else?

How does the list look otherwise?

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The mistakes I have mentioned are real mistakes. Can you confirm they'll be changed, as they are currently not how corey intended them.

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(zombocom @ Apr. 14 2008,19:22)
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The mistakes I have mentioned are real mistakes. Can you confirm they'll be changed, as they are currently not how corey intended them.

That is correct.

And I know I didn't remove the Macro Weapon attack from the Spyder so I don't know why that is that way.

And I know bloody well I have made those other changes to the data sheets that you mentioned.

Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer speed should be 25cm.

Wraiths shouldn't have an extra attack, the first strike was to replace it.

Pariahs shouldn't be fearless.

Spyders melee attack should be MW.  That's part of the reason it costs so much.

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Spyders melee attack should be MW.  That's part of the reason it costs so much.


It's a pity that its main use is to sit at the back of the firefight and use its Fearless ability. :D

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(Evil and Chaos @ Apr. 14 2008,10:12)
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Spyders melee attack should be MW. ?That's part of the reason it costs so much.


It's a pity that its main use is to sit at the back of the firefight and use its Fearless ability. :D

Not exactly. I'll only sit them at the back if I expect to lose or win an assault big. If I think I'll be wiped out I keep it at the back to preserve it, and if I think I'll win easily it stays at the back because I don't need to risk it.

If it seems to be in the balance I'll throw it forward for the extra macro attack.




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I thought I answered this...

The mistakes I have mentioned are real mistakes. Can you confirm they'll be changed, as they are currently not how corey intended them.


with this...
Everything posted above is an error that has been fixed with the exception of the following

Mistakes happen when you are building these things.  Sorry!  I wasn't denying they were real mistakes - I was acknowledging that everything that everyone posted above me was accurate and I would go back in and fix it.  Apparently that was not clear enough, so...
*All of Hena's concerns have been fixed
*Pulsar, thanks for the compliment and the Obelisk is supposed to be fearless.
*Zombocom, all of your concerns have been fixed
*Dave, see my earlier post.
*Corey, see my earlier post.

I'm not going to post a corrected version until I get the Destroyer Lord issue resolved though.

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I think you should just put a note with the necron lord saying "destroyer lords also use this profile" but otherwise another data-fax would is perfectly ok as it lets you add some fluff for destroyer lords themselves.

with the above mentioned errors fixed the corrected version is gonna look awesome, you have done a great job on it. as for the list itself.

by the way, i have sent you an email with a step by step for necron wraiths article i wrote, might be usefull.

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(hiddenevil @ Apr. 15 2008,08:39)
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I think you should just put a note with the necron lord saying "destroyer lords also use this profile" but otherwise another data-fax would is perfectly ok as it lets you add some fluff for destroyer lords themselves.

with the above mentioned errors fixed the corrected version is gonna look awesome, you have done a great job on it. as for the list itself.

by the way, i have sent you an email with a step by step for necron wraiths article i wrote, might be usefull.

sounds like something I'd be interested in. :)

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