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Author:  tc63 [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:00 am ]
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Don't know about anyone else, but I feel like the internet is a bit of a double edged weapon when it comes to enhancing your painting skills. On the one hand I've learnt more than I ever thought possible about techniques, products and methods to make your minis look that much better. On the flip side the perfectionist in me will not let me paint my miniatures without conducting thourough testing to ensure that I've tried every single method that I am capable of to enhance the look of my minis. Wheras in my teens I would get by with what my meagre hobby budget would allow, I find myself ordering so many different materials and being scared of not pulling off the best paint job possible that my painting has stalled to a point of ridiculousness while I test out every variation of methods possible.

Hence this log! After painting and stripping the same minis probably 5 times or so, I thought this should keep me on track and make sure I can turn up to an EpicUk event this year with a painted army at some point.

Think I've settled on a scheme of traditional Steel Legion colours, but am still testing out different weathering techniques. Any comments / criticisms on which of these methods I should go with would be greatly appreciated!

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Author:  tc63 [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:04 am ]
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And also some further extreme weathering and basing tests. Not sure what to do with the basing yet, as I dont want it to be too brown, but also don't want my infantry to blend in with the base too much.

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Author:  kyussinchains [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:56 am ]
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Beautiful work!

Looking forwards to seeing them in the flesh sometime soon :)
Author:  Lead-Space [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:34 pm ]
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Looks brilliant. I tend to go to the extremes with my painting and weathering, and that's why my output is so slow :). I really like those tanks and the base.

Could you give a tutorial how you did the base? I would love to copy that ;)
Author:  tc63 [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:08 pm ]
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Cheers!

Yeah the weathering almost needs to be quite extreme at this scale to show at all, I'll have to see what the hydras look like when I've tried it out on them.

The bigger base is vallejo desert sand, with blobs of vallejo sandy paste added to create the rocky bits. Then washed with just about everything I have! There are 7 different washes used on it, as I remember them:

Top Left - Baccus basing system foundation wash
Top Middle - Army Painter strong tone
Top Right, Bottom Left and Bottom Middle- Army Painter dark tone (watered down in different amounts, watering paints down just seems to make it look messy though?)
Bottom Right - Army painter soft tone
Litle patch in the middle - Oil wash

The little base is vallejo desert sand, gloss varnish and then an oil wash over the top. Not so keen on this one, but I'm gonna experiment a little more with oil washes on an unglossed base and see what happens. If none of these work I'll go with the Baccus basing system wash.

Thing is I've got four Krieg infantry companies to get together soon, so wanted a basing technique that could just be painted on then washed, rather than drybrushing around tiny little feet!
Author:  Commander Sims [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:10 pm ]
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Nice work, and understand your pain.
Author:  Lead-Space [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:06 pm ]
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Thanks for the info. Washing is the way to go. Oils work well but need experimenting. I too use sandy paste, great product for our scale.
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:36 pm ]
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Yeah I am a fan on using oils and enamel washes . Become a total junky for using AK interactive products. I find the FW resin tanks don't take it as well as white metal but that's due to the resin quality I find. (FW AI products were qualitatively better than their Epic line by the end)
Author:  Lead-Space [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:33 pm ]
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AI washes FTW!
Author:  tc63 [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:16 pm ]
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Hmm got my interest piqued with the AK product line, now I'm going to have to buy some and try it out before proceeding again! What is the difference between the AK washes and say, oil washes? Is it that much of a difference?
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:20 pm ]
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You can use them similarly in technique.
First the AK products are enamels. They dry faster than oils and can be used closer to the speed of acrylics almost.
Two, their various grime and streaking products have a HUGE convenience factor being ready to go from the pot.
Three, I find that I can use enamels with techniques like stippling easier than oils myself.

Regardless, I use both extensively nowadays.
Author:  Lead-Space [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:34 pm ]
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I recommend to try them
Author:  tc63 [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:25 pm ]
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Hmm interesting, can you use them without varnishing first? Do they have similar properties to oils? May have to buy a couple of pots to try, any guidance on what colours to get for a browny/black grime look? Does it stain base colours like gw washes, or go into details properly like oils?
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:38 pm ]
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Like I said, you use them with the same techniques as you would oils. In general gloss/satin varnish and paint away, dry, shape/cleanup with white spirit. I have used them direct on the acrylic paint (stippling) and they don't change the base the wash an acrylic wash does. YMMV of course and always be aware that white spirit or a turpinoid can attack the acrylic aggressively.
Author:  tc63 [ Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:49 am ]
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Okay great, thanks for the info, I'll check em out. In the meantime I should stop being distracted by new stuff though and press on with my painting!

Tried some more weathering on the hydras from this morning. Not sure if it's too much, to the point where the basic paint is obscured and they may just look like a funky mess from a distance.

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