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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 4:31 am 
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Hi Guys,

I've been accruing a great heap of figures through here, ebay and other places, but the problem I now have is how do I best strip all the old paint off?

I've found lots of old methods for metal minis, including Oven Cleaner, brake fluid and the like, but I would think plastics are a bit less resiliant to nasty chemicals like that. ?Plus you really want to get it all off the plastic infantry or all the detail is obscured. ?(I think Helen Keller undercoated some of these figures!)

I'd be grateful for the wisdom of others' experiences, especially what NOT to do ?:)

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 5:07 am 
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Tas,

I've been saving E-mails about stripping for some time. Here are a few:

So far the best thing I've found to strip the paint from plastic miniatures is common brake fluid. You pour some in a bucket, jar, etc. over the miniatures, give it several hours - about a day works well, then most of the paint peels off and you can scrub the rest off with an old toothbrush.  As soon as you clean it to your satisfaction, you do need to wash the fluid off with warm water and dish soap.  If left in the fluid too long, (like, a few days) or not washed off
properly, it will etch the plastic. The detergeant Fabuloso works also, but it takes longer and there's definitely more scrubbing involved.  The wonderful smell gets to be
overpowering (IMO) after a while, too.


I use oven cleaner. Spray it on the miniature in a thick coat then put it in a sealed plastic bag (baggie) and let it sit for about 6 to 8 hours then scrub with an old tooth brush. Make sure you wear gloves and eye protection. I find this works better than acetone, brake fluid or Pinesol. However a lot depends on the type of paint you want to remove (is it old enamel, was it sprayed on, was the a lacquer based primer underneath, was it varnished etc.).

If the oven cleaner does not work 100%  on some tough enamel paints I use spray on automotive paint remover, wear gloves and eye protection and follow the directions on the label for penetration time, scrub with an old tooth brush and make sure you use good ventilation. To remove any residue or
remaining paint soak in paint remover then scrub with a brush as the last step (lacquer thinner works best). Hope this helps, speaking from experience it is a miserable job.


Better check that whatever liquid you use doesn't eat the container. Nail polish remover usually is acetone, which will eat through most plastics. Glass or stainless steel are the best bets for containers.
Other tips I have seen are car brake fluid, oven cleaners and
a 'pinesol' organic solvent available in the states. Never tried any of them, I must say.

Personally, most of the locals seem to use Pinesol. I've had good luck with it. Leave the minis in an old glass jar for a day and then take them out and go at it with an old toothbrush. After you've scrub-adub-dub'ed them, rinse with luke warm water and let them dry thoroughly.

Check out TMP. There have been a few posts on this lately. One of the more helpful clues was to put a paper towel over the plastics so they remain submerged. Otherwise, they will tend to float.

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I have many more posts about this saved.

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 5:07 am 
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On Epic Yahoo, they talked about a product called "Mean Green."

It's a house hold cleaner, I don't know if they have it Down Under? ???? ?

The Epic Collector site had a piece on it too.

Let me know if you want me to send you the site... :D

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 6:22 pm 
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There is a similar product called "Simple Green" that I have also seen recommended.  Basically, use it like Pinesol.

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 8:47 pm 
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Well, I use Brake Fluid religiously but have had some problems with it deteriating the plastic. ?Is anyone familiar with Gundam? Or Gundam Wing to be more specific? I had a fairly rare model kit called the Leo that was made from a different, and probably poorer quality plastic than what is used for their regular model kits. ?I soaked the kit, polycaps and all, for not too long, but when I took it out to scrub it pretty much fell apart in my hands like a cookie.

Now, I am the type of guy that will pull out a Land Raider that's been in someone's garage for six years, caked in spray paint, strip it, and paint it up like you'd think it came out of the box, so I like restoring things. ?This model fell apart to where it would never grip a polycap again (a polycap is a rubber like piece used for joints since plastic wears down). ?Very disappointing, but I still have a back-up Leo kit.

Anyway, I don't know what GW uses for plastic, but I have been able to strip everything off with no problem except with the old Ultramarine Blue. ?I don't know why the previous edition stays on so tough.

I have to admit I have been afraid to try anything else.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2003 6:10 pm 
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Here is a great guide to paint strippers, taken from the GW Forums, posted by a guy called R Lobinskie IIRC:

I have compiled the following quick rundown of various paint stripping methods from various model forums and my personal experience to make some fast comparisons available. Further details on a number of these products can be found at http://www.paintingclinic.com. Personal preferences on materials vary quite a bit, based on personal experiences and tastes, plus exactly what they want from a stripper, fast action, plastic safe, inexpensive or easily available. Availability of different products will vary with country of origin. The following is not a definitive list.

Acetone, works well on pewter, will quickly damage plastics. Use with gloves and in good ventilation away from flames. Strips most paints.

Alcohols (Denatured, Isopropyl, "Methlyated Spirits"), works reasonably well on acrylics, usually poorly on enamels and varnishes. Safe for plastics.

Brake fluid, works quite well on all paints, though this may take a couple days, some reports of plastic distortion.

Castrol Super Clean, works very well on most paints, usually within a couple of hours. not reported to damage plastics. Further reports indicate that this may not be as effective as previously reported, plus reported damage to glue on assembled models.

Chameleon is biosafe, fast working and long-lasting, works very well on a wide range of paints, varnishes and decals. Once too much sludge builds up in a stripping vat, you can simply filter through a coffee filter and continue to use. In my experience, will work within 15-30 minutes for most paints, may require overnight soaking for old enamels. Primarily available at hobby shops. I very highly recommend this product. I have heard about other strippers for plastic models, but have not seen any directly yet.

Easy-Off oven cleaner, works very well on most paints, though it is caustic and should be used in good ventilation and with sturdy gloves. Normally works within one hour. Model should be thoroughly rinsed before handling with bare hands. May require a second application for thick paint accumulations.

Gasoline, works fairly well on many paints, will destroy plastics, is very highly flammable and has a considerable toxic hazard. Not recommended.

Nitromors, a DIY-type paint stripper, very good for most paints on pewter, effective within an hour, use with gloves and good ventilation. UK availability.

Orange Clean, works very well on most types of paint, usually within a couple of hours, little scrubbing required. Long-lasting, can be filtered to remove sludge for continues use. Very cost-effective. Some reports of damage to models.

Pine-Sol, a little slow working, will do a good job of removing paint, but extended soaking will damage plastics.

Polystripa (sp?), Canadian product, reported to work quickly on pewter models, will damage plastic, requires mask and gloves.

Simply Green, biodegradable, low toxicity, works well, though some scrubbing is required, usually requires several hours of soaking. Not as effective on enamels. No reports of damage to plastics.

Strypeeze, a heavy duty paint stripper, is a gel that will remove almost any paint or varnish within 15-30 minutes, very caustic, requires good ventilation, gloves and thorough washing after use. Can damage plastics.

Window cleaners, the clear blue variety, works well on acrylics, not very effective on enamels, inexpensive and readily available.

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 1:53 am 
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Hi Guys,

thanks for all the replies and good info.  I'll digest it, see whats available around here and get back to you.  

Very Many Thanks,
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:41 am 
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I used "Simple Green" to strip some Epic Infantry, I got on Bartertown, today. It did a pretty good job, after I let them soak a few hours, I got them 90% clean, nothing a good paint job couldn't fix... :D ?

That being said, I need 10 more SM Scouts and 20 Terminators, unpainted and unbased preferably. I know it would be easier to ask for a kidney but I figure I'd ask?! :;):

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L-4: What the hell is "Simple Green?" ?

I've never heard of it, but that sounds like just what I want.

I'll check for you tonight, but I can probably fullfill your needs regarding SM scouts. ?

Terminators though? ?

You're dreaming... :D

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:30 am 
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Tas, it's listed above, by Stormseer. It's much like Lysol, I've also seen a competitors version called "Mean Green." It's an extra strength household general purpose cleaner.

They must have something like it on your side of the Pacific? ??? ?

As for the Scouts, I'll take all I can get, Maksim sent me a PM just now, he may have some too and Terminators!!? ?

LMK, I'm easy... :laugh:

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 05 2003 June,15:30)
It's an extra strenght household general purpose cleaner. ?


Sorry: I wasn't clear. I saw Stormseer's post, just wasn't sure what the hell it was, but now I know where to try for it: Thanks!

I'll PM you about the SM scouts.

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OK- I've found the local agent and procured some "Simple Green"...so how do I use it?

I imagine that I would use it undiluted and simply soak minis in there before a bit of scubbing with an old toothbrush.   How long is best?  NAy other tips from anyone trying out simple grren?

Thanks (again) in advance!  Hopefully soon I will have some old Codex Grey IG troops instead of the overpainted blobs I got second hand :)

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A few hours to a few days. Depending on the plastic and the paint you are trying to get off.  :p  :p  :p  :p  :p

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Soak (full strength) for a few hours and check them, and I gently scrubbed them with a soft old tooth brush, and soaked them and scrubbed them again ...   :D

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OK guys- thanks.  I'll let you know how it comes out.

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