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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:55 pm 
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I have been only a lurker in these forums  so I will start with a quick introduction. My wargaming "career" started when I cracked open the third edition "Warhammer Fantasy Battle" book in the late 80s. Over the course of the 90s I got to know the entire Games Workshop Pantheon of games as they were released (40k, Man-o-War, Mordheim, Necromunda, BFG, Blood Bowl, Warmaster, Gorka Morka, Inquisitor, Warhammer Quest). During the 90s I played fairly competitively across Europe, mostly in the "core systems (including Epic back then :) ). Driven by tournament score pressure I improved my 28mm painting skills but my Epic collection remained the all-too-common hodge-podge of multi-coloured (including such colours as "sprayed white" and "shining lead"), multi-based piles of 6mm models. When Epic became just another specialist game the number of games declined to the point that I made my one major mistake in my gaming collection strategy and sold everything Epic. Life continud in 28mm across multiple continents.

Later, in the early years of the new century I branched into the third dimension of wargaming (e.g. historical as opposed to fantasy/scifi): Flames of War, Ancient DBA/DBM and a budding effort in the Napoleonic period. When its time came, I even dabbled in Lord of the Rings. Painting 15mm models re-kindled my enthusiasm for the smaller scales so the "small scale renaissance" project was born in 2008. I re-bought all available armies for Epic (painful given that I had sold everything at penny prices), Warmaster, Man-o-War (extremely painful, possibly the highest $/metal ratio short of precious metals) and BFG.

The smaller systems (i.e. all but Epic) were quickly painted up and I am slowly painting Epic now. My firm objective is to create visually attractive 6mm forces (no hodge podge no more). Each force should include all available options in each army list with multiples were needed (e.g. core troop units, etc). So far I have completed the SM (Salamanders), IG and Ork force. Chaos is half-way done. Nids are assembled and going through paint scheme experimentation. Eldar is assembled but not undercoated yet (deciding on paint scheme to know whether white or black is appropriate). Here is an older shot of the "epic section" of the display wall. The IG has since then filled out the second display tray. I will take close up shots when the nice camera returns (presently at the Olympics with my better half). Note that the display trays are supposed to have landscape in them (not yet built for the epic armies). That's why the current miniatures look "recessed" in the photos (a 1/2" foam layer as terrain base withe magnetic slots for models will fix this).

If you made it this far in the post then I can kick off my actual questions. I am looking for proxy options for some the missing formations in my collection. I was hoping that the crowd on this forum might have some ideas or could point me to vendors. I have also posted a corresponding trade request in the appropriate section. This is more about ideas for models, though feel free to PM me if you actually have physical models for sale.

Keep in mind that I haven't played a single game of Epic since the mid 90s so be kind if my gaming related questions are dumb. I would love to get a game locally if anybody is in the area (Montreal, Canada).

Space Marines:
Drop Pods: I need plenty of these and the GW option seems absurdly expensive. Also, in gaming terms, how many do I need per formation? One for every squad (2 bases of 5 ea) a la 40k? One per detachment of six bases?

Chaos:
Dreadclaw Pods: Same gaming questions as above: How many per unit? What do you use to proxy these?

Flyers: Swiftdeath, Helltalon: Any proxies or is FW the only option?

Rhinos: Any "Nashorns" still around?

Forlorn Hope: How do you distinguish these from regular retinues? My chaos army is old style with each of the four gods represented. The four-god retinues are made up of a mix of old style "four-god" marines (with a few appropriate daemons thrown in to add more chaotic variety). Undivided retinues are new style chaos marines. I am tempted to convert SM scouts for Forlorn Hope. Any other ideas?

Raptors: Any other options other than converted SM assault marines?

LotD Chaos Hounds: Does anybody know 6mm dog models? Any other suitable proxies? I am considering DRM "Critters/Defender" from their Skyth line.

LotD Rough Rider: Any good proxies other than IG Rough Rider? I am looking for something more "chaotic". I am considering DRM Torakk Rider though I am not sure how large these are. They look like 6mm cavalry size but the price tag seems uncharacteristically high (4 models for 3.5 sterling ~ $5). Maybe they are bigger?

LotD War Altar: I am thinking old style metal chaos hounds (Khorne) pulling a Warmaster Empire War Altar with some conversions. Any other ideas/options?

Tyranids:
Harridan: I guess I can convert this one from 40k Gargoyles. Any other ideas?

Vituperator: I saw this in some of the list. What the hell is it? How does it look?

Hierodules: I have a bunch of bio titans (called Heirodules in the mid 90s) but I think the current list "Hierodules" are more of a super heavy sized creation like the Trygon. Is this correct? I am assuming this is based on the FW 40k Hierodule model (I won one of those at a tournament many years ago and it is still lying around - I guess it would make one kick ass Epic Tyranid monster...).

I appreciate the help.

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 Post subject: Proxies & Ideas Needed (and an introduction)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:48 pm 
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I can answer, or partially answer, a couple of these questions.

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Space Marines:
Drop Pods: I need plenty of these and the GW option seems absurdly expensive. Also, in gaming terms, how many do I need per formation? One for every squad (2 bases of 5 ea) a la 40k? One per detachment of six bases?

Chaos:
Dreadclaw Pods: Same gaming questions as above: How many per unit? What do you use to proxy these?


These are both abstracted to 1 per formation. Not sure about suitable proxies, but you should be able to find the old style on ebay intermittantly.

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Flyers: Swiftdeath, Helltalon: Any proxies or is FW the only option?


FW is probably the way to go.

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Tyranids:
Harridan: I guess I can convert this one from 40k Gargoyles. Any other ideas?

Vituperator: I saw this in some of the list. What the hell is it? How does it look?

Hierodules: I have a bunch of bio titans (called Heirodules in the mid 90s) but I think the current list "Hierodules" are more of a super heavy sized creation like the Trygon. Is this correct? I am assuming this is based on the FW 40k Hierodule model (I won one of those at a tournament many years ago and it is still lying around - I guess it would make one kick ass Epic Tyranid monster...).


Good thread here.

Not so good with LatD, someone elst will have to answer those.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:51 pm 
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From memory:

1: You only really need one drop pod marker per formation, but from a visual standpoint it might be fun (If rather expensive) to have more. There's a number of manufacturers who make alternative drop pods, if you're not too fussy about them looking like the GW version.

2: There's been some home made Dreadclaws made, but unfortunately they aren't avaliable any more. A Space Marine Drop Pod with a few spikes made from plasticard and an appropriate paint jo will do the trick though.

3: Dunno

4: You'll probably find a number of different answers to this. Basically do what works for you :)

5: Some have been using IG Assault Troopers for these. However my spider senses tell me that a reasonable proxy may soon become available.

6: The DRM would work. Alternatively how about Warmaster stuff?

7: Again, several proxies available from both DRM and Exodus Wars. An interesting conversion can be done by using a plastic Fleshhound body with a bloodletter torso (you could use other torsos as well) for a centaur look. You could also use Juggernauts.

8: Sounds good. The Altars are really just an opportunity to go nuts.

9: I made mine using a Termagnt body, Dark Pegasus wings and a FW Ripper head. The new plastic Gargoyles looks very good for the job though!

10: Basically just a bigger Harridan.

11: Yes. People have been converting these from Tyranid Warriors or Termagants (Depending a bit on how big you want them)

Oh, and welcome to the forum :)

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Frankly you don't really need droppod models at all. They don't have stats or anything, they're just markers for where the formation lands. You could just place any marker, or even just a base from the formation instead.

For the chaos flyers the FW models are the most obvious and best option. Also note that the netEA unofficial update to the list replaces the swiftdeaths with hellblades, i.e. the model FW sells.




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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:05 pm 
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My plug nickel's worth...

Rough Riders: the Exodus Wars Guild Mounted Bounty Hunters are a good option here: http://www.exoduswars.com/store....73.html

Drop Pods: Khurasan miniatures has an open drop pod model, but it's 15mm. Still looks good as a marker:

http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/t1209.jpg[/URL]

Raptors: Wait a few weeks... or use the Exodus Wars Assault Centuria troopers

I know you didn't ask directly, but the DRM Jungle Troops are a good fit for traitor guardsmen.

One other note: the Exodus wars infantry are slightly smaller than those of GW or DRM. Not a problem, but visually noticeable. Important if you're picky about such things.  :;):

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LotD Chaos Hounds: Does anybody know 6mm dog models? Any other suitable proxies? I am considering DRM "Critters/Defender" from their Skyth line.

LotD Rough Rider: Any good proxies other than IG Rough Rider? I am looking for something more "chaotic". I am considering DRM Torakk Rider though I am not sure how large these are. They look like 6mm cavalry size but the price tag seems uncharacteristically high (4 models for 3.5 sterling ~ $5). Maybe they are bigger?

LotD War Altar: I am thinking old style metal chaos hounds (Khorne) pulling a Warmaster Empire War Altar with some conversions. Any other ideas/options?



I am currently assembling a LatD army, and here are some of the ideas I'm working with.

Chaos Hounds: Warmaster Chaos Hounds or god-specific hounds (which is more or less the path I'm treading, in effect Flesh Hounds for Khorne hounds, Beasts of Nurgle for Nurgle hounds etc.)

Rough Riders: Generic Riders, how about centigors? trim the rider off a plastic Rough Rider, toy with beastmen or other bitz. For god-specific Riders, you can use Juggers, Steeds of Slaanesh, Discs of Tzeentch.

War Altar: Just go haywire. No restrictions save your own imagination.

Welcome and good luck,
Fredmans

P.S. Any chance of some close-ups from that cabinet?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:45 pm 
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One other note: the Exodus wars infantry are slightly smaller than those of GW or DRM. Not a problem, but visually noticeable. Important if you're picky about such things.


Actually that varies a bit: The Assault centuria are quite large while a few other minis such as the Bounty Hunter with rifle and Myrmidons are a bit small. I suppose it depends a bit on what mood Bob Naismith is in the day he sculpts :p :D

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just to add my 2 cents worth.

exodus wars make awesome drop pods.

GZG also make drop pods which look great.

The mounted bounty hunters by exodus wars make awesome rough riders (better than gw IMO).


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:59 am 
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Thanks for all the reply and advice. I guess I will order the flyers from FW and wait a bit until the mysterious Raptor proxies appear.

Regarding the request for a closer look at the cabinet, I only have older pics until I my camera returns from the games. The older shots weren't designed for "pretty display", just as digital memory of where stuff goes when I moved into the new game room. Attached is another one of those "big picture" shots. In columns from the top left we have:

Column 1:
WFB Bretonnia
WFB Empire
FoW US Tank Coy
FoW German Grenadier/Pionier Coy
FoW UK Desert Rats
FoW German Desert (not shown, were still in boxes)

Column 2:
WFB Undead
WFB Empire (same army as column 1)
FoW US Rifle Coy
FoW German Tank/Panzergrenadier Coy
FoW UK Para/Airlanding Coy
FoW German Panzergrenadier spill-over (everything fits into one try right now but once trays because display bases with terrain I will need two for the PzGrens)

Column 3:
WM Empire, Dwarf, HE (invisible due to height of display base frame and camera angle)
WFB Dwarf
40k Emperor's Children
40k Ultramarine
40k IG Tanks
40k Dark Eldar (not pictures as painting not completed)

Column 4:
WM Chaos, Orcs & Undead (invisible due to height of display base frame and camera angle)
40k Eldar
40k World Eater
40k Angels Vermillion (BA successor)
40k IG Infantry
40k reserved for Eldar (display base spillover)

Column 5:
Epic Eldar (not shown as painting not complete)
Epic SM
Epic IG
Epic Orks (Bad Moonz, Blood Axe & Goff)
Epic Chaos (not shown as painting not complete)
WFB Orc (pre-sorting, these will migrate elsewere once restored)

Column 6:
missing tray
Epic SM
Epic IG & Inquisition
Epic Orks (Evil Sunz, Snakebite & Deathskullz)
Epic Tyranids (not shown as painting not complete)
40k DE (pre-sorting, these will migrate elsewere once restored)


There is a similar cabinet to the right of the photographer for the "small stuff" (Blood Bowl teams, Necromunda gangs, Mordheim warbands, DBA armies, Space Hulk, Man-or-War & BFG fleets, etc) and for terrain. The bottom of that second cabinet has solid doors to hide books/accessories. To the left of the photographer is a 9'x5' table with custom compartment below for 12 4'x2' and 12 2'x2' terrain tiles (as well as storage compartments for materials, unopened boxes, etc). Behind that table are a number of display niches in the wall for high profile items and throphies (and the windows :) ). To the back of the photographer is the modelling & workshop area with custom cabinetry for tools and "in progress" army drawers.

I will have to get a photobucket account to upload some of the more detailed stuff.

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My plug nickel's worth...

Rough Riders: the Exodus Wars Guild Mounted Bounty Hunters are a good option here: http://www.exoduswars.com/store....73.html

Drop Pods: Khurasan miniatures has an open drop pod model, but it's 15mm. Still looks good as a marker:

[url=http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/t1209.jpg
]http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/t1209.jpg[/url][/URL]

Raptors: Wait a few weeks... or use the Exodus Wars Assault Centuria troopers

I know you didn't ask directly, but the DRM Jungle Troops are a good fit for traitor guardsmen.

One other note: the Exodus wars infantry are slightly smaller than those of GW or DRM. Not a problem, but visually noticeable. Important if you're picky about such things.  :;):

I agree with these suggestions !!!  :)

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As for chaos fliers, check DRM's Kraytonian range.

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LotD Chaos Hounds: Does anybody know 6mm dog models? Any other suitable proxies? I am considering DRM "Critters/Defender" from their Skyth line.

I have some metal Flesh Hounds to spare if you're interested.

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