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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:26 pm 
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ok. for larger casts metal is
1- expensive and 2- heavy

For larger casts resin is
1- expensive and 2- fragile


For large flat sheets (buildings ect) both carry a risk of warping.
The Imperium does not smile upon warpage.

Design a model in digital, and invert.
Using a 3d printer, print a two part mold.
Have two part mold cast sacrificially into bronze.

mount bronze molds in steel holders. This is to keep overall stress levels down so the bronze molds don't fatigue.

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Plastic to be used is ABS, can be made plastic (ie squishy) quite easily using boiling water. Or a filament nichrome wire extruder nicked off the RepRap project.
Milk cartons, coke bottles and shampoo bottles ect are all made of ABS.


Pressure holding moulds together to be achieved using a gingegvery pattern DIY press, or a modified drill press



Possible issues
- insuffiecent mold life for investment
- Air bubbles
- Plastic setting too quick to take the details.

Possible solutions:
- experiment  :cool: Good design may help - avoid stress concentrating details (will post alter about this if people want)
- if the plastic is under high pressure, air bubbles should be squeezed smaller. good mold design should help here too.
- Heated molds seems the obvious solution. water baths, nichrome wire, a blowtorch or even a quick sit in an oven before use. ABS never truly melts but it does go hard quuite fast. As the large lumnps of metal surronding it should cool a bit faster though it should give the plastic a chance to 'anneal' reducing the chance of warping.




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 Post subject: Die cast Plastic...
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:18 pm 
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I've had similar ruminations. The disconnect for me comes with the next step: how do I get the molten plastic into the molds, and how can I get that repeated over and over again?

I have some lovely building models I've done, but I'm not at all clear how I'm gonna get them past the clear blue plastic phase.

btw, if anyone can give me some help in the mass-production dept, pass me a PM.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:40 pm 
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Could you use the sheet plastic intended for vacuforming?
Heat the plastic up and press it between the two halves of the mold?


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I'm assuming you mean moulding without plastic injection moulding facilities, correct? That's the technology normally used, but it's quite expensive and not easy to replicate on a small scale.

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I wonder, if I obtained the measurements and specifications of a plastic injection tool (not impossible),  whether a bronze casting would stand up to use in an injection machine (which I can get access to).

I suspect not, however.

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That's why I was looking at a stainless steel jacket for the cast.

It depends what bronze is used by the casting company. Certain bronzes are used for ball bearings so the requisite hardness is obtainable.



I finished the inital post off with the rest of the process. It's clearly going to be an expensive experiment. Once I'm back at uni I'll see if the manufacturing engineers will let me play.

A final issue is the extent to which it'd piss forgeworld off. I've a feeling there is a line somewhere...

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1500 US dollars, but pretty cool:
http://www.injectionmolder.net/

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:21 pm 
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Would a hand-pumped injection machine like that get up enough pressure to cast infantry sized models?

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there's only a few ways to find out. :_(

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:15 pm 
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I suggest hitting TMP. There is a wealth of casting expertise there as well as info about shops that support home based casters. I think there are a couple of chaps who make limited run plastics for themselves as well.

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