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Advice/thoughts–how big could a Demon Prince be?
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Author:  GlynG [ Thu May 21, 2009 12:48 am ]
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I have an idea to use a 30mm warhammer-sized chaos character as very cool model for an epic Demon Prince, but I’m a bit concerned it would be too big – not only would it be much bigger than the Demon Princes from 40k, but it would be bigger than the Greater Demons and the Primarchs. The particular model does look particularly mutated, rather than just being an over-sized human.

Thoughts? Would that look/seem ok do you think or is that too big?
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Thu May 21, 2009 12:55 am ]
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I think it'd be much too big.

A Daemon Prince is suppsed to be Infantry sized, not Armoured Vehicle, and certainly not War Engine sized.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu May 21, 2009 12:55 am ]
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In SM2 they were as big as a 25mm fig ... We prefer to use the old OOP G/W Familiars for the 4 major Chaos Powers.  We think the 25mm are too big ...  8v)
Author:  GlynG [ Thu May 21, 2009 1:25 am ]
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...but surely the warping powers of chaos can twist their favoured champions up to such heights? As a whole the army will be very converted and the background will probably have them coming from a demon world deep in the eye.

It is a Tzeentchian model and so I could claim that - even though it’s massive - it’s still quite a flimsy creature going to battle with nothing but a cloth robe for protection, so 3+ reinforced could be about right.

I’d actually not picked up on or thought about the fact it was infantry though, lack of AT vulnerability would seem wrong. I’m now unsure whether to abandon the idea or do it anyway, pointing out to the opponent what it is, and to hell with it.

I’ve got some of those familiar ones too L4, though mine got used in a blood bowl dug-out I made for my chaos team over a decade ago. They are definitely more in scale for being the normal W40k ones, but you could claim the epic/Warmaster ones are the large greater-greater demons (or whatever forge world call their bigger ones).
Author:  Onyx [ Thu May 21, 2009 1:26 am ]
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I see them about this size (maybe slightly bigger).



They're based on the old Minotaur mini.
One day I'll get to my own Iron Warriors...
Author:  Dave [ Thu May 21, 2009 1:32 am ]
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I always thought the WM Demon characters would work pretty well for Epic DPs.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Thu May 21, 2009 1:38 am ]
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Quote: (GlynG @ 21 May 2009, 01:25 )

...but surely the warping powers of chaos can twist their favoured champions up to such heights?

Then they counts-as a Greater Daemon... and if it's a nice model then why not? It's just an abnormally big Daemon Prince who happens to be summoned ala a Greater Daemon. :)

Daemon Princes are infantry-sized.
Author:  GlynG [ Thu May 21, 2009 2:12 am ]
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Possibly I suppose, though I already have a nice Warmaster one that would then be wasted (doubt I’d want two in an army? – or three even; since I plan to mostly field an Slaanesh/Tzeentch alliance, so there’ll standardly be a Keeper of Secrets too).

I’m actually now toying with counting the model as a Death Wheel instead, since I’ve never like the look/concept of the normal sort, or possibly a Questor in a LaTD list (so long as I don‘t field Khorne models with it in the army - and I'm not planning to - then the factions rules shouldn't affect this). Maybe those would be going too far the other way, but Tzeentchian magics could be protecty and shooty.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu May 21, 2009 4:22 am ]
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Quote: (GlynG @ 21 May 2009, 01:25 )

...but surely the warping powers of chaos can twist their favoured champions up to such heights? As a whole the army will be very converted and the background will probably have them coming from a demon world deep in the eye.

It is a Tzeentchian model and so I could claim that - even though it’s massive - it’s still quite a flimsy creature going to battle with nothing but a cloth robe for protection, so 3+ reinforced could be about right.

I’d actually not picked up on or thought about the fact it was infantry though, lack of AT vulnerability would seem wrong. I’m now unsure whether to abandon the idea or do it anyway, pointing out to the opponent what it is, and to hell with it.

I’ve got some of those familiar ones too L4, though mine got used in a blood bowl dug-out I made for my chaos team over a decade ago. They are definitely more in scale for being the normal W40k ones, but you could claim the epic/Warmaster ones are the large greater-greater demons (or whatever forge world call their bigger ones).

Yes, we like those old Familiars, but some of the new Warmaster figures would work nicely too.  The SM2 ones were just really too BIG ... even for demonic entities ... In our opinion ...
Author:  Man of kent [ Thu May 21, 2009 8:54 am ]
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NIcely done by Onxy i say...I used the old 25mm scale demon princes (Angron), and a couple of Warmaster Characters; the demon and geezer on a jugernaught; i felt that their size justified all those TK attacks.  HOWEVER: from a 'realism' perspective i really do think that demon princes should probably become macro weapon and not TK; seeing as they are 'only' meant to be infantry sized ish.
Author:  nealhunt [ Thu May 21, 2009 3:14 pm ]
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Most of my conversions are about the size of the old minotaurs and trolls and are surrounded by infantry so it is clear they are infantry.

I agree with E&C the big ol' models the size of 40K and WHFB models like the old GDs and Primarchs feel like they are at least AVs and probably War Engines.  I would also use something that size to "count as" GDs.

That said, I wouldn't freak out if I met up with an "infantry" Angron in a tournament.

If you and your opponent agree... whatever.
Author:  zap123 [ Fri May 22, 2009 1:40 am ]
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A demon prince is pretty small....size of a Troll/Minotaur/Ogryn.  Greater Demons are big :)
Author:  Warhead [ Fri May 22, 2009 10:39 am ]
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Strange that in the old 40K Chaos Codex they Daemon Princes where vastly more powerful than the Generic Greater Daemons... and of comparative size too. This whole new fangled idea that has creped in that they should be smaller than the minions just doesn't do it for me. I prefer to use the terms Daemon, Daemon Princling (Your version of the Daemon Prince), Greater Daemon and then Greater Daemon Prince. Anything else is just a forced cobbled bodge by GW IMO.

EDIT: I prefer my own cobbled bodge anyday.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Fri May 22, 2009 4:03 pm ]
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kev101 made these Primarchs for me ... they are on WM bases ....    And we use these OOP SM1 metal SMs as CSM Legion Cdrs(note the Mohawk I added !) ... And behind them are 2 of the OOP Chaos Familiars, we use for G/Ds ...                                          
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