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Author:  Otterman [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:04 pm ]
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The recent deployment of metal Armageddon enclosures (Basilisk, Medusa), has pointed out a shortcoming in my decision to make the enclosure compatible with the Forge World Basilisk chassis - namely, that people don't enjoy buying Basilisks from Forge World and then cramming my enclosures into them.

So, it occurred to me that I should make my own chassis in an Imperial motiff. Also being the lazy sort, I considered using the chassis I designed for the Anargo manticore, with some tweaks.

However, it seems to be a bit, er, stubby. To stretch this would essentially amount to a redesign. Can this chassis work with the Arma enclosure, or is it time to start again? Does it deserve to exist in metal?

Note that we haven't lost much work if the decision is to start over...
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:09 pm ]
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If going the metal route I'd always try and get as close to truescale as possible.
Author:  netepic [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:09 pm ]
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Oh jeez, I warned WMN nice that after you'd completed your EW work we'd have to burn out your eyes and cut off your wrists :p.

Seriously though, it looks good, but a tad top heavy, even balanced out with a cannon I'd be  concerned that if I drove up a hill it would topple backwards.
Author:  Erik M [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:11 pm ]
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And what is "true scale"?  :p

It look just fine above, Aquatic Hunter. A bit oversized and WWI'ish is Epic.
Author:  Otterman [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:16 pm ]
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Quote: (netepic @ 07 May 2009, 08:09 )

Oh jeez, I warned WMN nice that after you'd completed your EW work we'd have to burn out your eyes and cut off your wrists :p.

Seriously though, it looks good, but a tad top heavy, even balanced out with a cannon I'd be  concerned that if I drove up a hill it would topple backwards.


Yeah, well, I did this chassis before the Guild work started. Besides, WMN is in Germany and thus isn't commenting on my SPAAG design.

Yes, it's going to be too back/top heavy. Too bad I can't figure out a logical cut point to lengthen the damn thing.
Author:  Sergeant_Crunch [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:30 pm ]
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If you keep the enclosure that far off the back of the chassis, I'd recommend modeling extensible stabilizers to the rear, in the retracted positions, though I suppose you could make it a separate piece and offer both extended and retracted versions.
Author:  GlynG [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:40 pm ]
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Quote: (Otterman @ 07 May 2009, 14:04 )

a shortcoming in my decision to make the enclosure compatible with the Forge World Basilisk chassis - namely, that people don't enjoy buying Basilisks from Forge World and then cramming my enclosures into them.

Why not? Sounds fine to me, helps keep both the Otter and Epic Forge Worlds going and everyone wins. Since you already have the back section done and castable I'd prefer just to be able to buy that and have you spend your time on other projects, just my personal feeling though, up to you.

That tank is definitely too stubby. If you are going to produce it I'd echo E&C's comment with the truescale. People want your enclosure over the GW one because it is better looking and more accurately scaled to the W40k model.

What scaling are the barrels from your Saltshakers btw? Do they match the thinner FW scale Basilisk barrels or the thicker GW ones, or are they scaled to the W40k model and not a match for either?
Author:  Otterman [ Thu May 07, 2009 2:45 pm ]
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The Saltshakers will be 6/28 reductions of the ones included in the Krieg Earthshaker. Now I'm curious as to the possible interaction between the enclosure and the Saltshaker. I'll post that later.

Edit - nope, way too big. I can confirm in person when I'm home with the shaker prototype and enclosure.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu May 07, 2009 3:11 pm ]
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I'm not sure I understand ... the difference ?  :rock:  
Author:  semajnollissor [ Thu May 07, 2009 3:28 pm ]
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So as to aid you in your decision, ponder the question whether you plan to do any more chimera-based tanks.

If you think you will a large number of variants, then maybe it is worth refining your old design. However, if you only end of doing 3 or 4 of the things, and one of them is the medusa that is already done, maybe it's better to stick with the meduse design, so they all match.

Getting things to match their 40k counterparts is a noble goal, but I really think it's more important that the different epic pieces in your army match each other. Because, in the end, you'll be fielding the epic medusa and the epic basilisk next to each other, and not ever fielding the epic basilisk next to the 40k basilisk.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Thu May 07, 2009 3:36 pm ]
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Quote: (Erik M @ 07 May 2009, 14:11 )

And what is "true scale"?  :p

According to Forgeworld, Epic's true scale is a 1:5 reduction from the Warhammer 40,000 model.

Most of Otterman's stuff is done at a slightly larger scale (1:4.5 or thereabouts?), Specialist Games' scale was similar although sometimes inconsistent (Mostly when dealing with Titans and Aircraft). This has led to his models being out of scale (Such as the Tankettes being as tall as a Chimera, or his Gorgonzolas being noticably too big).

However, his Armageddon Pattern enclosure must actually be 1:5 true scale, as it fits nice and snug on the Forgeworld 1:5 Basilisk hull.
Author:  GlynG [ Thu May 07, 2009 3:43 pm ]
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Quote: (Legion 4 @ 07 May 2009, 15:11 )

I'm not sure I understand ... the difference ?  :rock:  

Definitely a difference with the two models on the right, mostly in the thinner diameter of the barrel, which tapers more, but also a different design on the circular piece that connects the cannon and the bit above it. Is the one on the left an Otter version or a GW one? (I only have the FW ones so far).

It's not that major a difference, but I'm enough of a perfectionist I'm tempted to standardise them across my army, even if it means buying extras to convert others. Not sure which I'd use and which I'd get rid of though.
Author:  Otterman [ Thu May 07, 2009 4:03 pm ]
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Yes, my scales are inconsistent, varying between 4:1 and 5:1. My ideal is 6/28 (4.67:1).

Sometimes I deliberately keep the scale closer to 4:1, such as on the angry robot bug; otherwise, the necessary identifying details would vanish.

Hey, what's this?

Edit - yes, a deliberate point that sometimes things have to be puffed up to be properly identified on the battlefield.
Author:  GlynG [ Thu May 07, 2009 4:04 pm ]
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 07 May 2009, 15:36 )

or his Gorgonzolas being noticably too big

Wasn't that fixed? Or is the fixed standard size still a bit bigger than FWs size? Not bothered if it should still be a little bigger than the FW standard scale as it should make filling it up with 50 epic infantry easier to convert  :))
Author:  illuvitar [ Thu May 07, 2009 4:11 pm ]
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Why not? Sounds fine to me, helps keep both the Otter and Epic Forge Worlds going and everyone wins. Since you already have the back section done and castable I'd prefer just to be able to buy that and have you spend your time on other projects, just my personal feeling though, up to you.

That tank is definitely too stubby. If you are going to produce it I'd echo E&C's comment with the truescale. People want your enclosure over the GW one because it is better looking and more accurately scaled to the W40k model.
nothing to add to that except that i agree
edit -as long as i get gun barrels for those enclosures someday :D
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