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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:25 pm 
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Quote: (Otterman @ 14 Aug. 2008, 18:20 )

Ahoy Dave,

The gun was directly scaled down from my nephew's WH40K Basilisk. But yes, strangely big, isn't it?

I feel strangely tempted to design a gun with a muzzle brake. Or someone else could: www.moi3d.com

Perhaps because it's sticking out of the enclosure too much as per these pictures:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/basenc.htm

Nothing some filing can't fix.




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:27 pm 
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I'm disappointed that O-man did not include the option for having the rear access ramp open!
:mad: :whistle:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:50 pm 
Quote: (daemonkin @ 15 Aug. 2008, 08:27 )

I'm disappointed that O-man did not include the option for having the rear access ramp open!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:57 pm 
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I think you have to cut Otterman a break. Doing delicate detail work like this with only rocks while floating on ones back is a difficult business.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:15 pm 
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Quote: (Dave @ 15 Aug. 2008, 09:57 )

I think you have to cut Otterman a break. Doing delicate detail work like this with only rocks while floating on ones back is a difficult business.

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:32 pm 
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Do otters even have opposable thumbs?  :agree:  :agree:

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 Post subject: Armageddon Enclosure Bronze
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:43 pm 
Quote: (daemonkin @ 15 Aug. 2008, 09:32 )

Do otters even have opposable thumbs?  :agree:  :agree:

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 Post subject: Armageddon Enclosure Bronze
PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:56 pm 
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O-Man,

ME WANT!!!! :wow:

As an Imperial Guard Commander who goes along the Soviet doctrin, there is never too much artillery!!!!!

So me please.........as and when and if, ofcourse

GREAT WORK 'Green with Envy' :upside:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:51 pm 
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Ok,
This looks just amazing. :O
But, I just can't understand exactly how this whole process works.  O-man, can you give a brief, lay summary of how this works for us non-computer mammals?

The way I see it, you:
1)Design a piece in 3d software
2)The computer sends this to some kind of milling device?  What material is used?  Basically, how does the computer produce a the physical object?
3)once you have the master, you cast it using regular casting techniques.

Hope you can clarify this.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:34 am 
First, based on evidence gathered from the Dallas Aquarium, otters do have opposable thumbs. Kind of chimp-level opposable, but thumbs nonetheless. One of them stared at me for a long time, which rose the hairs on my neck.

Second, artillery is the God of War. Napolean said that. 50% of all casualties in WWII were by artillery.

Third, the process is like this:
Design a model in 3D software that can export to a format called "watertight STL". STL is an acronym that means "Stereo lithography". I suggest MoI (www.moi3d.com) or Rhino (www.rhino3d.com).

The STL file can then be sent to a milling house ("subtractive construction"), or more often, to a 3D printing house that uses laser stereolithography ("additive construction").

"Subtractive construction" means that you start with a block of material and carve stuff off to achive your objective. Classical sculpture is like this, where you start with a chunk of stone and knock off the pieces that don't look like an elephant.

"Additive construction" means that you assemble little clumps of material to achieve your objective. In miniture land, this is usually equated with making little blobs of greenstuff, Fimo, Sculpey, ProCreate, etc. look like the finish model. Machines do this by either:
1) having a little print-head melt plastic and construct the object one dot at a time in a plane,then moving the print-head up a little and construct the next plane, and so forht.
2) doing (1) using a UV laser and a vat of special plastic goo to achieve the same thing. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography)


Some types of SLA machines produce a hard plastic thingy that is suitable for resin casting.

Other types of SLA machines produce a soft, squishy thing suitable for sacrifice to the gods. The daring, though, dunk this thing into a vat of enamel until a hard shell is produced. After a suitably thick shell is created, molten metal is poured into the the shell. The molten metal consumes the soft plastic, but leaves the hard enamel. The brittle enamel is later cracked open, revealing the metal thingy in the exact same shape as the plastic thingy. This process is called "investment casting" because the original pattern is completely destroyed to make the hard metal pattern. This pattern can then be used for resin casting, or high temperature vulcanization casting, such as for mass production metal models.

In general, the first method is cheaper and faster, but has lower resolution. Rivets are hard to make with that method.

I hope my drunken post-(adult syndrome related to neural frenzy) rambling has educated you somewhat. Please refer to:
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....y265403


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 Post subject: Armageddon Enclosure Bronze
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:36 am 
Quote: (Dave @ 15 Aug. 2008, 08:25 )

Perhaps because it's sticking out of the enclosure too much as per these pictures:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/basenc.htm

Fair enough. I have to claim some artistic license for the recoil brake. But once again, it was patterned after a plastic 40K Basilisk model.


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 Post subject: Armageddon Enclosure Bronze
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:02 am 
Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 15 Aug. 2008, 03:08 )

The Hydra one though surely couldn't do aa - maybe its a cheap AT system like that dodgy 'nam marine autocannon beasty?

Yes, that has occured to me, and troubled me, since I made the model  :_( . The turret can't rotate, which means it can't track a target moving at high angular differential.

Some considerate forum members have suggested that it fires only at long-range targets, where the lack of tracking isn't as essential. I guess one could make other excuses for using it as a Hydra substitute, such as the enclosure helping with maintenance (and hence on-time), housing larger guns for longer range, etc. It does have the sweet little radar dome, though.

Perhaps it would best be treated as a Twin Armageddon Hydra Autocannon, AP5+ AT6+ AA6+.

You were referring to the Ontos.





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:26 am 
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Ok,
Thanks for explaining the process!  
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:58 am 
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Yes, I trimmed the gun's reciever so it sat in the turret slightly below the top deck. Like in the F/W pics. I posted pics of mine (WIP) here ... somewhere ...  The M109, PzH2000, etc., turret traverses at least partially to aid in aiming ... The Hydra 2 still could be ADA/AAA regardless, IMO ...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:31 am 
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Hi O'man,

Good grief! Is it wrong to get a woody when looking at a model?..

The Basilisks with the long barrel reminds me of the US Paladin self-propelled howitzer.  :love:  

You astound!  :cool:

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