I'm all for Ordinatii. Major or Minoris

Perhapps a leviathan? There's some great stuff done recently in both epic and 40k scale. Warmasternice's epic leviathan springs to mind.

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Ha scale is mutable!
It changed during 1st edition, then again a bit with second and sometimes with 3rd. Mix in model redesigns and it has all been a bit fluid, certainly and probably deliberately differing from the other 1:300 ranges.

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I personally hate all the ork stompa/gargant models in both ranges.

damn flowerpots.


BUT

other races deserve love first.

Marines, Orks, Ig all have pretty extensive model ranges (and players to match)

Chaos seems to be catching up pretty quick.


Adeptus need Ordinati

DE need EVERYTHING

Necrons - monolith? obilisk? Abbatoir? Warbarque (based off that stargate one)?
EDIT - Scratch that - just saw Zomboes thumbtack

Nids - Push yourself - learn organics before the reaver.


Tau - I'm not so sure about. Are they still in development limbo?

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They're a little small scale but I'm rather frond of the current Ordinati and they're not as unavailable as people might think

DE do need doing but may be worth leaving off till they re-release the W40k dark eldar range

Proxies for the first two of those 'cron ones are in production.

See E&C's other threads - new nids are ongoing and very nice looking

Nor am I (forgot to mention it sooner). I'm not crazy about "true-scale" either.

Ordinatii would be nice, both Minoris and Majoris. Bitz to chaosify IG and Marine vehicles would be nice, too.

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Why would 1:4 be correct?


Are you assuming that 40k actually has a real scale?

40k has 28mm bodies with 30mm feet, 32mm hands, 35mm heads, and 40mm guns, it has no scale that is consistent with anything except itself (and a 1:5 relationship to 'Epic' scale, which is no more 1:300 scale than 40k has a scale).


Additionally, Otterman has done some models at 1:4 previously, and they came out looking huge.

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I think my point was that there's no such thing as 40k:Epic ratio.
There should be a Epic:40k ratio thou. But there's serious scale problems everywhere.

Make it look nice, and about the current size, that's my opinion. And never look at what FW put out.

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Forgeworld's 1:5 ratio is the nicest looking ratio, it matches to within a few mm for 90% of the SG Armoured Vehicles, and it's probably the most common ratio that appears in Epic.

Pretty much only the SG War Engines, SG aircraft, and Titans don't conform to the 1:5 ratio. Everything else matches FW's 1:5, or near enough anyway.

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About the only thing that is vaguely consistent in epic scale is infantry being about 6-8mm tall, and even that varies. Other models should be scaled to match the infantry really. Take warhound titans for example; there's absolutely no way that 3 6mm crew could fit inside the head of the SG or FW warhound, so the scale on those is definately wrong.

Quite frankly all we have to go on for relative scale of models is 40k, and that means reducing the scale of a 40k model so that it is in scale with a 6mm human rather than a 30mm human. That's where the 1:5 ratio comes from; if you reduce a 40k human by 1:5 you get an epic scale human, so if you reduce other 40k models by 1:5 you get the "correct" epic scale for them, with the same relative scale to a human as 40k has.

On another point, I think snobby attitude that some epic players have with regards to 40k players is not healthy for the game. Of course we want to recruit players from 40k, why shouldn't we? We're not special, and they're not all idiots. Any 40k player who finds epic interesting is of course the sort of person we want playing epic; the powergamers and dullards wouldn't find it interesting anyway.

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Good point. I admit that I am snobbish sometimes towards 40k. However, 40k players are exactly what we need. Whenever I get the chance I do take the opportunity to spread "The Word" to 40k players. A little proselytizing can go a long way.  

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I too think that Ordinatii and models, that do not exist yet would be cooler. But as others said...If you feel the urge to do the Stompa...Do it

All this scale talk always rubs me the wrong way. The fact is, these are all game pieces first, scale models second (if at all).

My opinion is that the basic model in any tabletop game should be around the size of 2 - 2.5 cm cube , give or take. Too much smaller than that you will have trouble manipulating it on the table, too much bigger than that you can't fit enough of them on the table for anything more than a skirmish.

Epic models should not be scaled to the infantry. The infantry are oversized to make them easier to paint and manipulate on the table. Scaling off of the infantry leads to WEs that are too big. As for the comment that 6mm titan crew couldn't fit into a FW or SG warhound, I'd point out that most of the AVs suffer the same problem.

Instead, try to convince yourself that the vehicles are the basis of the game scale. Tanks are about an inch long in this game, so just allow yourself to believe that infantry are intended to be out of scale. And anyway, if we want to have one scale, I'd say everything should be scaled off the size of the original beetleback warlord, since that was the original playing piece. That would lead to smaller (and therefore cheaper) playing pieces, instead of what we have now.

40k has the same problem, vehicles made to the same scale as the (increasingly larger) infantry models just puts too much clutter on the table.

Well, I make all my models properly scaled, regardless as to how it affects the game (my Warhound scratchbuilds are much more vulnerable than a normal, but conversely they look really awesome being 5cm tall, instead of 4.2cm tall).

So if I do a Supa Stompa (and I reckon I will), it will be a 1:5 reduction of the 40k piece*


*Although I have some ideas about making its main torso modular, so you can add a belly cannon/etc.

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