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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:45 pm 
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This is not a diary. Just wanted to make that clear up front, as I know I can't compete with some of the painters on this forum. But I did have some questions on painting Epic figures, and also wanted to share with you my joy at finally picking up the paint brush again, however falteringly...

I may have mentioned on other threads that I was starting to do a Blood Angel army for Epic. Never played BA in 40k- didn't like the rules- hopefully the 40k BA codex will be redone at some point by a new author.

So why did I pick BA for Epic army then? Well I picked SM to start with as we had 2-3 players that had Orks, a couple of people were starting IG and one guy was doing Chaos. But no beakies! Once I had decided to go for SM I headed down to the now defunct GW Ealing store, and picked up one of each of the initial SM blisters. Not a huge army but enough to give me a bit of variety- plus I managed to get hold of some of the older SM plastic sprues, so I had commanders, chaplains etc as well. Standing at the till and was asked the usual question, did I want any glue or paint. Looked on the shelf and saw can of red spray paint, did n't have any at home and so thought why not. Thus the vagaries of GW stock selection had decided my army for me.

Went home and fevrishly assemled all of the marines I could from sprue ASAP. ?Quick shake of the spray paint and my Epic army was started. That was 2 months ago... :(

Work intervened with load of hours, and my weekend were spent playing Mechwarrior or sleeping. Then yesterday I finally picked up where I had left off. Unsure about basing so went for bestial brown base coat for colour and then bestial brown/sand mix for texture. This had been recommended to me by friend, and I thought the brown base offset and toned down somewhat the bright red armour. And it seemed to work well from the piccies in the Epic A rulebook.

That takes us to last night, by which time I had based up three Tactical formations and two apiece of Devastators & Assault. Now the bit where I need help from you guys:

Firstly, how should I finish off the basing? ?
Should I drybush up through a lighter brown as far as bleached bone?
Or leave it as darker more brown-y colour?

My gaming club does n't have any set gaming boards although we will be probably playing on either green or sand coloured mats, so I need a colour that will look good on either. And also that complements/offsets the red.

Secondly I am going to be using the ink-wash & drybrush approach. This is for gaming standard army, and my eyesight won't be up to blending or multple highlights in Epic scale!!

Should I inkwash first (probably with a red wash with touch of black) and then drybrush?
Or drybush first, paint on shoulder pads and guns etc, and then inkwash with my friends "patented" black ink/gloss varnish mix?

I am leaning towards the latter becuase the inkwash will give some definition to the shoulder pads and guns. However the red spray paint doesn't look that dark. Would I better off with two thin washes?
A thin red wash for colour, then drybrush, then other colours then thin black wash?
Or is that getting too complicated for Epic scale.

Thanks for any help you can offer. And sorry if this initial post has rambled. But I wanted to explain where I was and what hoping to do paint scheme wise.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:24 am 
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Hi W-I,
you'll probably get diverse opinions on this, but:
bases - I usually go for some drybrush, usually more intense than on the troops themselves. If you intend to add any flock, this should (obviously) be done after drybrushing - some smal scattered patches look good, esp. on browns. Another possible addition for a variation on some patches on the bases is (don't laugh) black pepper - looks a lot like a pile of ash (as in "look out sir - vrooosh! - too late!"). If you're adding some small bits of Epic base sprue buildings, a good solution for rubble is grey coloured (Fuller's earth type) cat litter (I know I always say this, but - UNUSED cat litter, unless you're Nurgle). Sieving or selecting the smaller bits is better for Epic scale.
Re troops - depends - if your drybrush is heavy, than a washafterwards can help moderate the contrast. If your washes are heavy i.e. you don't tend to thinthem down with water, then all contrast would be lost, so drybrush (gently) afterwards. And add matt varnish on top of everything.
Re wash colour - I personally prefer not to use black on reds, yellows, browns, bleached bone etc. - my favourite are flesh or chestnut wash, or anything equivalent. They give a slightly dirty look, but it looks a bit as if sand has got into eveything, which is ok if you want an army which has the appearance of having been in action for some time. Should go well with the bases too.
Hope this is of help.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:50 am 
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Hi Vanvlak.  Thanks for reply.

Yes I was definitely intending to drybrush bases. I just was n't sure how light to go. Given that I will be using the army on either green or sand coloured mats I want a basing colour tht will look OK on both. From reading other threads I think a neutral light brown will be the best option. I think GW call it vomit brown (its an old paint pot without label so not sure).

From your comments on washing it is probable that 2 washes won't work on epic scale infantry. Therefore I think I will go for the drybrush then inkwash approach. This will alllow me to do the drybrusging fairly quickly, alllowing me to get a table ready, gaming standard Epic force done ASAP.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:07 pm 
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Rust Brown, Terra Cotta, Russian Brown ... any other shade of Red is for fire trucks, circus wagons, sports cars etc. ...  :laugh:  But what do I know ...  :;):

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:54 pm 
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Hi

I found a old pot of sulphur desert yellow that I had lieing around. I had never used it before as it was too thin0 the newer GW paints definitely have better pogmentation.

I tried mixing the sulphur desert yellow woth betial brown for extra thickness and pigmentaion and it came it quite well. So far I have done 1 drybrush with a 50-50 mix and later in the weeke will try a second drbrush of sulphur desert yellow by itself. Then I will start working on the power armour before deciding whether to drybrush as lisght as bleached bone.

Also started assembling some vehicles, 4 Whirlwinds and 4 Huntersm whilst waiting for coat of paint to dry. Found the Jumters a bit fiddly= the hunter missile mechanism is n't evenly balanced and the superglue did a better job of sticking to my fingers than adhering to the desired metal.

I think what I will try to do is get 2 Tactical & 1 Devastator fomration finished first before I start on the vehicles. I need tio be more disciplined in actually finishing painting figures/units that I started.

Also planning my next order from SG. 2 packs of SM Dreadnoughts and 1 pack of Vindicators should give my garrisoning infantry a bit more punch. Must resist urge to put in too big an order....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:40 pm 
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For basing it might be worth trying just sand without any paint first. What I did for mine was Graveyard Earth the whole base, then watered down PVA, sand then another coat of watered down PVA. I was planing on using the sand as a texture then to paint it, but the second coat of PVA darkened it down and it came out looking good. The bases look like desert bases but also look muddy on a grassy table. It really depends on the colour of the sand and your preference if you like it, but it might be worth a shot, at the least it's a lot faster then painting the bases! :p

Here is a pic of the bases, the colour will be out a bit due to photo and monitor differences, but you get the idea.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:28 pm 
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Thanks for the tip.

I will bear it n mind for the next time I base stuff in future.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:10 am 
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Managed to hold off ordering dreads & vindies. Had less time off work than hoped so had less painting time available.

Currently have 200 Marines ready for detail work- 4 Tactical formations, 2 apeice of Devastator & Assault. After doing basing I gave them a wash of thinned down scab red/black ink mix. I found the Blood Angel red spraypaint too light in colour. Once dry I then did a thick drybrush with mix blood red/ blood angel iorange followed today by a lighter (hopefully!!) drybush of orange.

Was all set to start painting chapter colours but could n't remember them. Has anyone got the old Angels of Death Codex? Mine is in storage.

All I am interested in is company colours of the Blood Angel battle companies- 2nd through 5th.

How have you painted company cours for your Epic SM??

Should I paint the whole shoulder pad? Just the inside? Or just the outer rim (on MkVII power arnour)?

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